Here we go again . . .

Husker
Then that makes the FB coaches A**holes for putting your son and the rest of the cross country team in an awkward spot , not to mention the teenage girl.
What kind of idiot thinks it is ok to even have a team meeting in a locker room while another sport is dressing... let alone have the team meeting with a teen aged girl there in same room another group of teen aged boys are dressing.
insane
hopefully the Principal will change that
 
Sorry Chango but I for one like Sangre's comments. Yours however, frequently are a cause of silent irritation.
Just weird I guess but imho I think girls should dress with girls and boys with the boys although as a (male) teenager I am a bit ashamed to admit I would have lusted for a look at the girls.
 
chango,

You and I probably disagree on this topic, but you're a valuable part of West Mall. I hope you change your mind and decide to stick around.
 
zork said:
how will sports be affected by things like this?
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sadly, there has been a push by the current administration to effectively dismantle Title IX and the boys with 'laydee feels' have been given permission in some areas to play on the girls teams.
 
I played football in HS and there was a girl on the team for the first few years. It was never an issue. She changed in the girls locker room and met us on the field. It was rare that we ever had to meet in a locker room but we had some position group film sessions in there. We would just make sure everybody was done changing then she would come in. This stuff just isn't that hard to figure out.
 
NJlonghorn said:
I too feel bad for her (not him!!!), but the statement that there is "something seriously wrong at home" turns my stomach. Nobody quite knows why, but gender conflict happens. Gender-conflicted kids are that way from a very young age. The ones who end up REALLY screwed up are the ones whose parents force them to stay with their birth gender, or worse yet ostracize them. Statistics on suicide rates back this up, as do the vast majority of mental-health experts.

I understand the knee-jerk resistance to accepting something we don't understand. But gender conflict is a real thing and it isn't going away. Plus, it isn't nearly as big of a problem as resistance to it is.
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NJ, we're probably going to have to agree to disagree on this. I have my limits, and making gender a matter of subjectivity is somewhere I'm just not willing to go. If someone's born with male parts, I'm going to use masculine pronouns to describe that person. I'm not going to act like a jerk and be rude to the person, but I'm not going to rearrange my language and vocabulary for him by calling him something that he's not.

Of course, the person could adopt a feminine persona, and then I won't know any differently and will use feminine terms, which seems to be the reasonable solution. After all, people refer to me by male pronouns because they presume I'm a guy based on my outward appearance, not because they've seen me "in the buck" and know for sure.

I do agree that gender conflict is a real thing, but that's not what I see in this case. I see a kid deciding relatively late in life that he's going to self-identify as a girl. Accordingly, I have a hard time believing that something innate is causing this, which makes me presume that something is wrong at home. Of course, I could be wrong, but in my experience when a kid is acting weird, there's usually a weird, negligent, or indifferent parent around.
 
I keep asking myself at what point does self-identifying stop? While I totally understand the concept of being uncomfortable in your own skin, or aspiring to be something other than you are, reality is simply not debatable. Or at least, it hadn't been before.

I would agree with Deez in that regardless of how someone "self-identifies" himself or herself, no one should be compelled to deny reality and change the definition of what it means to be male or female. At what point do we go the Rachel Dolezel route and say that I can decide what race I am? At what point can I self-identify as a citizen of another country? At what point can I decide what species I am? All of those things are verifiable and concrete facts, but more and more, facts are simply not relevant in a culture where what I feel trumps everything.
 
At what point can I decide what species I am?
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I think I may use this. Next physical, when discussing my weight, I'll tell the doctor I'm not obese, I'm actually a tiny, mature rhinocerous.
 
Chick: what do you do for work?
Larry: Im a billionaire hedge fund manager and a pro baseball player.
Chick: Why do you have a teacher badge.
Larry: Well, I am a teacher but I self-identify as those other careers.
Chick: Bye
Larry: Maybe I have this whole self-identification thing wrong.
 
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