Half of Florida's Children Fail Reading Test

I believe this one quote from Kirschner bridges my point about lack of prior knowledge and your points about constructivism.

"The advantage of guidance begins to recede only when learners have sufficiently high prior knowledge to provide “internal” guidance."

He goes on in great detail about how ineffective constructivism can be. If anybody is interested, it's called: Why Minimal Guidance During Instruction Does Not Work: An Analysis of the Failure of Constructivist, Discovery, Problem-Based, Experiential, and Inquiry-Based Teaching.
 
Emeritus,
This is the frustrating thing about all of the education discussion. Where are all of the calls for parents to get more involved in the daily aspects of educating their children?

There are always exceptions but...
- children focus where parents tell them and show them to focus. this should be academics rather than sports.
- early attention is more beneficial and important than when the child reaches middle school and H.S. And this is the point in the ed process that most parents have the educational capabilities to manage... simple math, and simple reading. Kindergarden through 3rd grade. It's not rocket science it just takes a commitment to your childrens education that most parents don't seem to have.

Teachers are an important but ultimately small part of the education success equation. It is parents setting the right prioriities in their childrens lives and having the discipline to abide by and assist with these priorities, EVEN IF it means missing the Cowboy game on Sunday.

And sure the stats are, well...stats. BUT, the US is between 14th and 25th in most major categories. And Texas is 46th and 49th in the nation on math & reading.

So if your child is underperforming in Texas and getting low B's and Cs, just think of they stack up against the rest of the world.

The built in advantage of having the dollar and english dominate international trade is being eroded. In the not so distant future we will need bright, educated people to stay in the race.
 
Not really new info but I just wanted to point out the many references to 'parents' and 'valuing education'.
www.cnn.com/2012/05/31/opinion/bennett-china-us-schools/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
in the end, that is the difference between students that do well in school and those that do not. Do parents care enough to make it a priority from an early age?

Or as so many seem to do, will they wait until the kid gets to middle school and starts getting C/D/F's before they wake up? By then, it is almost too late. By then, all you are left with is blaming the system.
 
I think statements that say "Florida" are distorted. One of the problems is that the largest school districts with the most students are the worst at educating their students. When you compare state to state you get distorted information. The largest school districts are the worst and they skew the numbers.

Those school districts are probably more like 20-25% bringing down the rest of the state.
 
I wonder if there was this much " thinking" and angst over methods in the decades past, up until late 70's or early 80's?
looking back i am pretty sure most of my teachers including some of the harshest that I cherish to this day didn't have all this with which to contend. It seems, from my perspective, they presented the material and expected us to learn it or suffer the consequences.We were a pretty diverse group perhaps not like inner city schools but we had a braod range of socioeconomic backgrounds, some black some white some native americans. some from poor single homes and some whose parents were doctors lawyers etc. Most of us learned most of it, I think.

I have always admired teachers including the ones I know in here, Larry T Austin Bat Cedarpark coel etc etc. I am so sorry they have so much to contend with that has nothing to do with teaching.
I think that loss of authority to teach is a major factor in the dumbing down of kids today.
 
I don't think it is so much as how you teach as it is who does the kid have to answer too.

I knew if I screwed up in school all hell was going to break loose at home. Grounded, loss of allowance, more work, no sports, just pure hell for a kids was going to happen if I didn't make excellent grades. I am sure there were different styles or theories that I was taught under, I just learned and busted my *** for fear of what might happen or not happen to me.
 
It's certainly true that the presence of a stable, supportive, and expectant family plays a critical role in a kid's success in school.

That said, from a teacher's point of view, you are dealt whatever hand you're dealt. And you're going to have to play that hand. Once a set of students arrives in your class, the arguments and debates about home life, or "background", aren't going to do anybody any good. So, while background may be the most critical factor in a kid's success (I would say that it probably is), educators are still left with the task of doing the best they can, instructionally, with whatever set of backgrounds walk into the room. Saying that kids come from a crappy background doesn't obviate the need to think about our methodological or operational assumptions. For even though background might be the most important factor, it is not a factor that is easy for us to get at; and if we can get at the second-most important factor more easily, then it seems sensible to do so. Or, to my way of thinking, if the chaos of the "background" is beyond our control, then it makes it even more important that we avoid adopting instructional or operational models that do not work.

The current operational model asserts that the administrator is the instructional leader. It's a phrase that teachers hear a lot: "administrator as instructional leader". For instance, on a recent staff survey that was conducted prior to the hiring of a new superintendent in my district, there were several questions asking about the importance of the "superintendent as the instructional leader of the district", or, more specifically, what sort of instructional leadership we wanted our new superintendent to demonstrate. We hear it a lot, but I'm not sure anyone has really ever vetted the assumptions that underlie that model. Like all other things in education, the experts will cite research pointing to the importance of having "an administrator as instructional leader", but the research hasn't been vetted either. It's simply passed along as a fact, and it is used to justify top-down, universalistic, one-size-fits-all approaches to instruction. After all, if the administrator is the instructional leader, then he (or she) has the job of laying down instructional rules that others are meant to follow.

The problem is that administrators are not instructional leaders. There is no body of knowledge that administrators receive by virtue of their training that teachers have not also been given by virtue of their training. Administrative trainees have focused, to a degree, on theoretical approaches to learning, but documenting the validity of those theories (mostly constructivist theories) remains an elusive task. Certainly there is nothing that rises to the level of what we could call a "methodological knowledge"—nothing that deserves to uproot and discard the practical experience of effective and conscientious teachers.

The "administrator as instructional leader" operational model has had the effect of reversing the natural lines of authority—in which the content is the master of the teacher, who is then the master of the student—in favor of a command and control mechanism, whose business is quality control and the elimination of variety. Content and relationships are subordinated to data analysis and "guaranteed, viable curriculums".

It's my sense that this sort of institutional drift is at the heart of the public school crisis that we now face. "Background" is a key piece of the puzzle, to be sure; but along with that is the continued erosion of the authority of the teacher in favor of the authority of quality control mechanisms—the search for the El Dorado of accountability. The drift is a result of many different sentimentalities and the quixotic responses they have provoked, responses which bleed together in unpredictable, confusing, and sometimes indecipherable ways. This is the source of our frustration as teachers, even if we can only articulate it in fragmented, and often contradictory ways.
 
interesting discussion about having an administrator as the academic leader on the campus. I was having a similar discussion with a fellow teacher the other day. We both teach in the same charter school, and we think we should have an instructional leader on the campus.

Our entire campus is self-contained. Nobody switches classes, not even the 5th grade. All of the four core courses come from one teacher.

Get this, we have no instructional facilitator to bother us, we just started using CSCOPE this fall, nobody is actually making us use CSCOPE, but we're kind of encouraged to use it, and in my little informal survey, I was the only teacher to be observed by an administrator.

My observer is the charter school's math coordinator. He observed two times, liked what he saw, was ready to write it up as a PDAS, and boom, all of a sudden we found out that the principal was supposed to do PDAS for everyone. (This was February at the earliest) She asked everyone to send their part 2 and 3, and then observed only one teacher that we know of.

My grade level received our raw STAAR scores last week, and considering all of the scary stories we heard about how few students would pass, our students performed very well. The three of us grade level teachers averaged the results and our students averaged over 70% correct of all questions on the reading and math. A small number of students scored less than 50% on the tests.

The writing is harder to grade because of the rubric the state uses. They surprised us and graded on a 1-8 rubric for each composition, instead of 1-4. On TAKS, if a student scored a 2 on the rubric, that was passing. So, if we use 4 on a scale of 8 to be passing, 90% of our students passed the written composition part of the writing test.

The bottom line, at least from our sample: We don't need an instructional leader at all. We don't need administrators, we don't need much of anything.

We had the most important thing of all. We had parents who care, and students who knew they would be in trouble at home if they didn't perform at school.

(It sure would help to have a copier that works)
 
My cousin was a temp grading these during TAKS testing a couple of years ago. They paid him per test and mixed in ones that were not from actual students but were for quality control.
 
Spider…thanks for the reply. Do you know if the temps are required to have a college degree or, if not, do they receive any training?

I apologize for temporarily redirecting this thread. I'll stop now.
 

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