Griner Speaks The Truth

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utfann I think you're equating things with Kim's success that aren't really related. And I also think you don't fully understand why a lot of people have a problem with Mulkey. Yes, she's passionate; so are a lot of coaches, and no one has an issue with that. And no one is questioning her success, though some may not like all of her methods.

The problem for many is her behavior, and the way she conducts herself in certain situations. And she doesn't win any more games because of her antics, so you can't say one is necessary to accomplish the other. In other words, she is supposed to be a role model, and she is about as far from that as any coach I can think of. In addition to all of the things mentioned - sideline antics, calling out or responding to a fan, lying to Griner during the recruiting process, the Champan drama - how about the famous photo of Geno grabbing her butt? It caused enough of a stir he had to come out and clarify the incident, and explain what had actually transpired. Apparently, in a nutshell, she looked at his butt, he said what about yours, she turned around, leaned forward and offered it up, he went for it. And all this during an exchange where she asked him why he wasn't fixing her up with any of his Italian friends. The explanation given by Geno after-the-fact was they had known each other forever, implying this was the kind of silly stuff long time friends do. Funny ha ha. Ummm, yeah, not so much. Or maybe in private in an office, or hallway out of sight of cameras and fans. That photo of Kim in black leather pants with her butt pushed out like she's about to start twerking, with Geno all over it, says everything you need to know about Mulkey in one snapshot. Were any rules broken? No. But just because it wasn't a capital offense, and a few may have even seen it as a couple of old friends being silly, doesn't mean it was harmless. That is precisly the image of women you don't want to see associated with college athletics. Go be silly somewhere else.

I like that Kim is passionate. Rough around the edges...fine also. Attire and makeup; to each their own. But all of that other stuff just isn't good for the game IMO. Hypocrisy, drama, calling out fans, and behaving in ways that demean women isn't my idea of a positive role model. In other words she isn't successful because of the incidents highlighted, but rather in spite of them.
 
My point was clearly missed, but I will accept the blame for that. Because when it seems as though I'm "defending" Kim rather than providing context, then I've gone about it all wrong. And I was in no way "throwing shade" at Jody because I don't think she nor any of the other coaches mentioned have done anything that I wouldn't do in other to maintain or become a competitive program at the elite level. I just hope for us to be a fan base that remains above the fray, because we're better than that. And our house has too many glass windows for us to go and start throwing stones.

And to your comment about me being a "professional **** stirrer" I don't think you'll find any of my posts being anything other than relevant, or valuable to whatever conversation we're having at that moment. Trolling has never been in my bag of tricks.
 
This thread makes me chuckle. Mulkey sucks so bad that this fan forum devotes entire threads in her honor. She would laugh (if she cared) to know level of obsession and jealousy of people like Tempesthorn. However, she's a little busy this time of the year winning conference championships and preparing for deep runs in the NCAA. tournament.
While some would never admit it except when they're alone in front of their computer screen composing their latest Mulkey rants, the people that rant the loudest and longest would love nothing more than to enjoy the success Mulkey has built.
Who knows -- maybe some day we will. Some day.
 
I'm sorry that in your deluded fantasies she's on a such a pedestal that you think she's capable of rising above anything. You gave me a chuckle as well.
 
Regarding Griner saying she was told to keep her sexuality to herself...how many women's hoops programs have had players publicly come out of the closet during their time there? I don't believe that has happened very much. If so, I think I would have remembered because it would've been plastered all over the headlines.

And you know that Texas, Baylor and probably every other major program have had lesbian players on their rosters. Did any of the Texas players call a press conference to announce their sexuality? If not, why not?

It's not like Griner was in the closet so far that no one knew. All the Baylor students knew. Probably any Baylor fan under the age of 60 knew.

Griner and Mulkey may be estranged somewhat, but Brittney was back on campus this fall for a football game, and that was after a negative article had come out in ESPN the Magazine (authored by a former CU basketball player who herself now out of the closet). And Brittney was back on Baylor campus again last week and I doubt it was to drum up book sales. Strange situation.
 
I don't think the issue is that Griner wanted to officially proclaim her sexual orientation, and was somehow prevented from doing so, or at least I haven't read anything that suggests this. Then again none of us knows what actually transpired behind the scenes, and likely never will. And I agree that being gay, or not, isn't something most players or institutions make a big deal about - one way or the other. But the situation is different with Griner, and other high profile cases such as Michael Sam. Neither hid their sexuality from teammates, or others, but only addressed the issue publically once their respective athletic careers had ended. And in both cases I think most agree this was an important, and positive development.

There are lessons to be learned from how their respective schools, and coaches handled what happened after-the-fact. Michael received a vast amount of public support from coaches, administrators, players and the student body at large. In Baylor's case, Mulkey made generally supportive comments about Griner's legacy, and contributions, but refrained from specifically addressing, or supporting her choice to come out. The right thing to do would have been to say that Brittney's sexual orientation, or that of any athlete, doesn't matter. Because clearly when it comes to recruiting, or having gay athletes or her team, it doesn't. And therein lies the problem.

Kim's position isn't enviable. On the one hand she wants the best recruits possible, and it's all but certain her personal views run counter to her employer's stated policy. But that's equally true for the University at large. Baylor's religious affiliation, and antiquated policy run counter to what the school is attempting to achieve, and become, on a variety of fronts. And eventually their policies are going to change, but situations like Griner's force the issue, and puts that internal conflict on display for all to see. IMO shining a light on hypocrisy is never a bad thing, and that's the real issue with respect to Griner and Mulkey. Kim was asked a very specific question and failed to answer honestly. Whatever her personal views, Baylor's policy is still in place. She should have been open about this. Given that she was asked a direction question, she should have explained the policy to Griner. She could have then added it wasn't a problem for her, and that she had coached (and would continue to recruit and coach) gay players, and that they would be treated exactly the same as all other players in her program. And in all likelihood Griner would have still signed with Baylor. But that isn't what happened, and perhaps Kim wasn't willing to take any chances by answering honestly. And of course she signed Griner, won a NC, and yet many Baylor fans seem more upset that Brittney spoke out about what transpired than they are that she was lied to. Really??
 
Not to be an apologist for Kim because she certainly doesn’t need me to do so, but we don’t know her side of the story. Maybe when Brittney asked if Kim had a problem with her (Brittney) being gay, Kim told her she didn’t, but didn’t say anything about the school itself not being a haven for gay people. I would also like to think that Baylor being Baylor, Brittney and her family would have known enough about the school to know that being gay would not be something that the school would want to advertise. If Kim didn’t tell her that the school wanted to keep her sexuality low profile, she should have.

But the thing that Kim did that really irritates me is how she treated Emily Niemann when she wanted to transfer. She wouldn’t allow her to transfer to certain schools even some outside the Big 12. Now I don’t know if it was Kim’s idea or someone higher in the Baylor administration, but Kim was the point person for it, so she gets the blame. Whoever’s idea it was, it was awfully petty. As it turned out, Emily never played basketball again. Check the link for an interesting story.
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