green energy industry continues to decline

The thing is it never "grew" as a business to decline. They simply spent all the money the government gave them. Don't worry, if BHO is voted back in we'll see a resurgence of green energy when every other power source is shut down.
 
yeah, well it is getting ridiculous how many major companies are shutting down. once again it looks like the free market is the way to go. i am actually ok with some subsidy encouragement, but what we have done is completely overblown and ridiculous.
 
I wonder why the Chinese keep upping their investment in green. The way the Chinese government is willing to subsidize the industry -- a big factor in bankruptcy of capitalist green ventures in the west -- seems calculated. Does China see a big payoff for global domination or is it blind support of a really leftist environmental agenda that excites the Communists. I'd say the former seems more in keeping with their recent economic activities.
 
yeah, i think you are both right and from what Brett told us it is getting far more efficient. I do believe that solar power will become viable in the next 5 years or so and that actually excites me. i just wish we hadn't flushed billions down the drain in our mad effort to bring it here more quickly. i also wish we would drill like crazy and drop the price of oil. it seems that nothing could help the economies of the West more quickly than cheaper fuel at this point. i am not suggesting that would be the SOLE answer, but i do think it would help significantly.
 
Subsidizing the provider is always a risky proposal, you have to effectively pick the winner. It is almost always better to increase the cost to the end user and then let the end user pursue the remedies (get more efficient, find alt energy etc) that make the most sense for them.

There is some evidence that the energy markets are being manipulated (http://secretweapon.org/). book that talks about China's economic war against west.

Seems like we've been here before though...High gas prices>> massive (expensive push to alt energy) >> lower gas prices >> complete abandonment of a long term energy strategy.

Why do we have to be feast or famine on this? Why can't we just set a policy that incrementally adds more alt (or US produced) energy to the portfolio. 1% this year, 2% next year and so forth.

Domestic oil and NG are mid-range solutions but we also need a long term, diversified solution. We need it all.
 
I don't understand how people seem giddy when they hear about green energy having difficulties.

Some of you are like the oil/coal/nuclear heads from Naked Gun 2 1/2.
 
How about post a chart showing installed megawatts of solar, wind, geothermal and related over the past 10 years- it is growing at around 30% CAGR FYI.

The industry is in fact expanding better and faster than other industries have in modern history.

The economics are improving dramatically, as is proven by the amount both the private and public sector choose to install. And yeah, the Chinese are undermining firms from other countries with their below market prices. But, the industry as a whole is nonetheless growing, and some producers may hurt, but consumers are benefiting.

What you are doing, mop, is showing a chart of stocks from a slice of a sector, and then representing the entire buy and sell side as a "disaster."

It'd be like me saying the sport of golf is in decline if I shoot a 120 and lose a few balls in the pond. You just don't get it. You never will- and that's fine, but you have some issue where you think you can convince other people you are right by linking to blogs that no one else reads.

What the OP gets wood over is saying the industry is not well because he gets an erection at the thought of climate change being a farce, something that upsets him as he collides science and biology with politics in an unnatural manner. The industry that could reduce our dependence on foreign oil as well as reduce the need to toss crap in the air we have to breathe is thus in his target sights- armed with articles from cooked up blogs.
 
Oh my gosh, look how the industry is declining!

Solar Installations
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Wind
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Uhh buddy, we're talking power generation, not transportation. Oil and biofuels will be needed for maritime, aviation for the foreseeable future- fleet and personal automobiles are going through a revolution at the moment. Revolutions in automobiles take 2-3 decades to complete. Mileage is more than tripling since the 90's, as is evident by just looking at the Ford Explorer SUV as a case study, or any Mazda or Toyota.

Not sure why you think inserting words and opinions in someone else's mouth is interesting or convincing.
 
Yeah rex, if incorporating newer technologies so i can avoid or reduce the need to pay 4-$7 gasoline at the pump through the lifetime of a car makes me gay, call me flaming. I'll drive my plug in car in a parade so as not to disappoint you and show you the numbers on my 2 year payback.

never backtracked- just wishful misunderstanding on your part. It'd be convenient if you could label people who refute the BS against renewables or new-tech cars as flaming hippies who don't understand reality, instead of finance professionals who understand the fundamentals of fossil fuels and technology risk. I imagine you work with natural gas as you've alluded in the past- we're all thrilled you have "industry pride", it just prevents you from having an intelligent conversation about anything without you feeling threatened.
 
Just a guess on my part, but I'd expect you'd want grass around the panels to minimize the dust blowing around. If you have grass you need to cut it, clean it up, control weeds, repair damage from the weather, etc. I'd expect the costs to be relatively low but not zero either.
 
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