Great Commentary and Insight on Mack

[NRHorn]

I submit to you that UT did little or nothing; Billie Powers, however, lied, humped the puppy, and could not possibly have handled things more poorly than he did. We got a graphic demonstration as to why Billie Powers taught law rather than practicing it - he could never have hacked it in corporate America.

Place the blame where it belongs - solidly at the feet of Billie Powers.

Freely admit that I based all my assumptions on conjecture

 

[NRHorn]

I submit to you that UT did little or nothing; Billie Powers, however, lied, humped the puppy, and could not possibly have handled things more poorly than he did. We got a graphic demonstration as to why Billie Powers taught law rather than practicing it - he could never have hacked it in corporate America.

Place the blame where it belongs - solidly at the feet of Billie Powers.

Yes, but the charisma that Mr Powers had was almost hypnotic.

 

[SabreHorn]

the charisma that Mr Powers had was almost hypnotic.

For some 1L female students

 

[Duck Dodgers]

I am wrong, I am wrong a lot. Just ask Moon and how my autocorrect makes his day.
But on this I was right. The BS some loud LH fans spewed about firing Mack was shortsighted and now has proven to be nonsense.
Ever since Chip Brown “broke” the story of a hero to me instead of letting Mack leave with the respect he needed, I have read, listened to and watched nothing of what that little boy has communicated.
When I hear his overly pronunciation of E V E R Y syllable- voice on a presser, I mute it.
Brown is a legend, UT really made an *** of themselves - The UT Football program didn’t deserve Brown at the time of his poorly handled firing..and from what I see Sark is the right person now.

I disagree with this. Mack needed to go when he was fired / let go. The program was in a slide downhill, with no reason to think it was going back to previous levels of success. Mack had gotten lazy and was mailing recruiting in, and it was time for him to go.

Almost always, it ends badly when a legacy coach stays too long and eventually needs to be shown the door. They get old and lazy, the team goes downhill, then they don't want to leave on a bad note, but don't have the ability to bring things back around. Bowden and Paterno come to mind for similar situations.

Yes Mack had success last year at UNC, which is like being on the Seniors PGA tour. He can win 8-9 games, lose some important ones, lose a bowl game, and everyone's still happy. Like seeing Arnie on the course waving at the fans. Not the same as being in the main arena.

 

[NRHorn]

For some 1L female students

I teed that one up for you, sir.

 

[SabreHorn]

Thank you

 

[NRHorn]

I disagree with this. Mack needed to go when he was fired / let go. The program was in a slide downhill, with no reason to think it was going back to previous levels of success. Mack had gotten lazy and was mailing recruiting in, and it was time for him to go.

Almost always, it ends badly when a legacy coach stays too long and eventually needs to be shown the door. They get old and lazy, the team goes downhill, then they don't want to leave on a bad note, but don't have the ability to bring things back around. Bowden and Paterno come to mind for similar situations.

Yes Mack had success last year at UNC, which is like being on the Seniors PGA tour. He can win 8-9 games, lose some important ones, lose a bowl game, and everyone's still happy. Like seeing Arnie on the course waving at the fans. Not the same as being in the main arena.

This is a good response. Thanks and I do see your point.
What I was concerned about was exactly what happened. The new coach whomever that person was going to be would be less successful. I was right about that, but I was wrong about Herman and I’ll top that-when UT hired Mack I thought that was a mistake.. so I’ve got a questionable record going.

 

[Htown77]

Since DKR, 16 years with Mack Brown vs. 28 years without Mack Brown (Fred Akers, David McWilliams, John Mackovic, Charlie Strong and Tom Herman)

National Championships:
Mack Brown: 1
Not Mack Brown: 0

Win %:
Mack Brown: 77%
Not Mack Brown: 62%

Conference Win %:
Mack Brown: 75%
Not Mack Brown: 65%

Average wins per year:
Mack Brown: 10
Not Mack Brown: 7.5

Average losses per year:
Mack Brown: 3
Not Mack Brown: 4.5

10 or more win seasons:
Mack Brown: 9
Not Mack Brown: 6

3 or fewer loss seasons:
Mack Brown: 11
Not Mack Brown: 9

Top 5 finishes:
Mack Brown: 5
Not Mack Brown: 3

Top 10 finishes:
Mack Brown: 7
Not Mack Brown: 5

Top 25 finishes in both polls:
Mack Brown: 13
Not Mack Brown: 12

Tier 1 Bowl wins:
Mack Brown: 3
Not Mack Brown: 2

Bowl wins:
Mack Brown: 10
Not Mack Brown: 8

Record & Win % Against Texas A&M:
Mack Brown: 10-4 71%
Not Mack Brown: 8-13 38%

Record & Win % Against OU:
Not Mack Brown: 13-14-2 45%
Mack Brown: 7-9 44%

If you take out Fred Akers (another great winning coach who gets more grief than he deserves), these stats would get REALLY favorable for Mack Brown.

We were significantly better under Mack Brown than any other coach not named DKR. Mack Brown’s 16 years were the best of the past 44 years of Texas Football. Mack Brown did not bring us down. Firing Mack Brown to follow up with Charlie Strong (who brought us down on the field) and later Tom Herman (who brought us down off the field) was incredibly dumb.

Also an old, tired, lazy Mack Brown now has taken a tier 2 program in North Carolina to its first tier 1 Bowl game since the 1949 season in only his second year there! An old, tired, lazy Mack Brown would have done better here than Strong & Herman.

Mack Brown is one of the best coaches in college football history, the best coach at UT not named DKR and Texas Football has been worse since UT stupidly fired him. I am glad I got to enjoy the Mack Brown era, and I will never understand the silly gooses who want to complain about him and nitpick over conference titles.

 

[Godz40acres]

We had this discussion a few years back.

As I stated at the beginning of this thread: "Overall, I'm glad he was our HC and am happy for him and what he's doing @ North Carolina." I'm not a MB hater. Now, to Htown's point....

If Nick Satan Saban becomes the greatest college football coach of all time, will it be because he won a lot of games or because he won the most conference and national championships? Sure, you have to win games to secure championships; but it's titles that bring glory. That's what I want and have always wanted for Texas every single season in every sport. I've never peed myself because we had a 10-win season and a Holiday Bowl victory. (Okay, I never peed myself over anything.) Championships matter to me – and for that I don't apologize.

 

[Htown77]

"because he won the most conference and national championships?"

In 2011 and 2017 he won the national championship without winning the conference championship so it will not be because of conference championships since they do not matter. Conference titles do not matter for national titles, but the win/loss record does. As far as the sport goes, you may care about conference titles more, but the pollsters and playoff committee that rank the teams and determine the national champion do not and never have. You are in better position at 11-1 without a conference title to make the playoff than 10-3 with a conference title. 2004 and 2008 Texas, for example, would have made the playoff, where as 1996 Texas would not have made the playoff.

I will also add I preferred ending the season with a bowl win (which mattered more to final rankings) under Brown than a Big XII title and embarrassing bowl loss that stoops consistently had (which hurt their final ranking).

That's what I want and have always wanted for Texas every single season in every sport. I've never peed myself because we had a 10-win season and a Holiday Bowl victory. (Okay, I never peed myself over anything.) Championships matter to me – and for that I don't apologize.

I want to win the lottery too. However, Nick Saban is the exception not the rule. I hope one day Texas gets a coach that goes on a crazy run like that. However, the likelihood of ANY program getting that is low. Regardless of you program, the next coach you hire will likely average 8 or fewer wins a year and never win a national title. If you get a coach that wins 10 or more games a year, puts you in a position to a national title consistently and actually wins one, you should never ever fire him unless things truly go off the rails (which they did not do here). Otherwise most of the time you are getting 5-8 win seasons and that's what we have gotten most of the time without Mack Brown. Hopefully the next Mack Brown comes along sooner than later and Makes UT Football Great Again.

Long story short, without Mack Brown we do not win any national titles and we lose more of the time so if you expect Nick Saban results, which are not going to happen, I do not know how you are still watching Texas Football in the post-Mack Brown era.

Also, yes, you can fire Tom Landry for Jimmy Johnson if you have a sure thing Jimmy Johnson coming along... but that did not happen with Charlie Strong.

 

[Godz40acres]

Hope you didn't throw your back out twisting my words that much. I tried this before and you did the same. Have a good one, H.

 

[Htown77]

All I know is I was lucky enough to attend nearly every home game from 1998-2013, nearly every OU game including the 05, 08 and 13 games, the 99 Mississippi State Cotton Bowl, multiple games @Rice, the 05 Michigan Rose Bowl, the games @ A&M in 05, 09 and 11, the 99 and 05 Big XII Championship games, the 06 USC Rose Bowl, the 06 Iowa Alamo Bowl, the 08 @UTEP game, the 2010 Bama Bowl, the 2010 @ Nebraska game, and the 2012 and 2013 Alamo Bowls against the Oregon schools. My freshman and sophomore year of college Texas went 25-2.

When I attend football games, I like to see Texas win. Under Mack Brown, we had an elite coach who usually kicked the other teams' a**. We also had a coach and team that represented Texas was class on and off the field. I will forever appreciate that and that I got to live it. I also got to enjoy our game day environment before Patterson and then later Herman started dismantling everything.

Also, when I was growing up in the 90s, Aggies were insufferable. Mack Brown also shut them the f*** up blowing them out numerous times and put the nail in the coffin on them in 2011. That is something Texas fans seem to take for granted.

Since then we have had a classy off the field but hapless on the field coach who did things like lose to 3-9 Iowa State 0-20 and lose to Kansas (the Iowa State loss was worse actually). Then we had a semi-competent on the field coach who was a total classless clown off the field that helped turn our players against our school song and traditions.

I was there for Mackovic, Strong and Herman so, I will absolutely always appreciate seeing Texas Football as good as it gets on and off the field and I'll never understand anyone complaining about the man that made it happen. Do not get me started on firing Rick Barnes for "can't win a tournament game Shaka Smart" either. At least basketball should have righted itself with Beard... Sark could go either way and I honestly have no idea if he will be good or bad.

 

[n64ra]

Teams used to have to win the conference to win the national title. It's sad to no longer be the case. You aren't the best from this little group of teams, but you are are the best out of the entire country. Uh, ok.....
And before you complain, I realize (nearly?) ever other sports allows that scenario. The difference is winning the conference guarantees a spot in the postseason.

 

[X Misn Tx]

I submit to you that UT did little or nothing; Billie Powers, however, lied, humped the puppy, and could not possibly have handled things more poorly than he did. We got a graphic demonstration as to why Billie Powers taught law rather than practicing it - he could never have hacked it in corporate America.

Place the blame where it belongs - solidly at the feet of Billie Powers.

are you saying that Powers did that when he was NOT employed by the University? I don't know that you can take the raspberry out of the preserves.

 

[SabreHorn]

???

 

[mchammer]

are you saying that Powers did that when he was NOT employed by the University? I don't know that you can take the raspberry out of the preserves.

No, he was employed. But did he represent UT? That is the question.