Got What We Deserved

[MajesticII]

The sad thing is we fired Mack for losing 4 or 5 games.....Look where we are now...Paying a guy $5-6 million to lose 4 or 5 games through 2023. The Regents listened to a 19-20 year old say "We're baaaaaack !!!" ..... and signed over a guaranteed contract extension. SMH

 

[n64ra]

MB was great, but then he wasn't. He seemed to stop recruiting well during the '09 season as if he expected to win it all and retire. Of course he lost to Bama, and the 2010 team was terrible. He improved to a 8 or 9 win coach. Texas is too big and pays too much to be a 3rd, 4th, or 5th place team, which is where we were then. Sadly, it hasn't improved (sans 2018).

 

[BornOrange0855]

You are correct. The "screw him" remark was out of line. Like I said, he had a good run but the last few years he wasn't taking care of the program. He was behaving in an entitled manner. That's just my opinion. You may disagree. But his last few years started the ball rolling downhill.
But again, my remark was over the top out of line. Thanks for calling me out on it.

 

[Creek]

Mack Brown was done and needed to go. He had expired like Milk.
Strong sucked. Herman is circling the drain. Could it be that Texas sucks as a default because we are Texas, with crappy fans, coddled players, longhorn network, too much pressure on players and coaches, too much money, etc..???

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Be excellent to each other

And... PARTY ON, DUDES!

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Mack Brown was done and needed to go. He had expired like Milk.
Strong sucked. Herman is circling the drain. Could it be that Texas sucks as a default because we are Texas, with crappy fans, coddled players, longhorn network, too much pressure on players and coaches, too much money, etc..???

That's a hard question, but one definitely worth asking and considering.

 

[bystander]

Mack Brown was done and needed to go. He had expired like Milk.
Strong sucked. Herman is circling the drain. Could it be that Texas sucks as a default because we are Texas, with crappy fans, coddled players, longhorn network, too much pressure on players and coaches, too much money, etc..???

I think it's hard to find a great coach. Who is the next Saban or Swinney? Probably very hard to know. Would anyone here have thought Orgeron would be a national championship caliber coach? But there he is on top. It seems kind of hard to know.

But if Texas is the Jones' then they should act like it. I say hire Urban Meyer. He is possibly the best coach out there including Saban and Swinney. There is no doubt that he is the real deal. Do we want to win big or not? He's sitting right there. Pay the man like a Jones would and who cares what people say. They already hate Texas. They already think Texas is arrogant and entitled. Again, do you want to win big or not.

To me, there's no excuse for the team not to have a real identity after three years. I guess Herman's vision was Orlando and Beck. Now what? Someone with entirely different philosophy's? Well who's in charge? The HC or the assistants and what they sell him on?

 

[pluckeye]

And it would help if a school like Texas with all of it’s resources and brand identity had the common sense to have something in place called succession plans.
It appeared to me that Mack’s ego + no prior planning = Texas caught with their pants down = Charlie Strong.

There is NO way that CDC doesn't have contingency/succession plans out the wazoo. That's just a fact. I know this innately.

 

[kevlawn]

First time Sooner poster, a very long time follower of the Horn’s boards (LH Bob,(lol) LHFanZone,...etc). I promise to be a very respectful guest while I am here. I am too old to troll, and respect college football way too much. I believe UT’s problem is exactly like OU’s this yr, and that is along the offensive and defensive lines. OU has made major steps along the def line this yr, as I believe they are leading the Big12 in total defense, and passing yards allowed. Far cry from last yr, but not really elite. A great def line can make crappy coverage look way better. A great OLine can make an avg QB, and RB great.
I know more about UT football (again, respect) than most Horn fans. I was a huge Earl Campbell fan, and a fan of many other Longhorn greats. Y’all were great when your lines dominated. What pisses me off about Riley is that he loads up on elite WR’s, athletes, and Rb’s. I would like to see a recruiting class of around 15 off and def linemen, then a QB, 2 Rb, 2 WR, then athletes and DB’s to finish it out.

 

[Run Pincher]

First time Sooner poster, a very long time follower of the Horn’s boards (LH Bob,(lol) LHFanZone,...etc). I promise to be a very respectful guest while I am here. I am too old to troll, and respect college football way too much. I believe UT’s problem is exactly like OU’s this yr, and that is along the offensive and defensive lines. OU has made major steps along the def line this yr, as I believe they are leading the Big12 in total defense, and passing yards allowed. Far cry from last yr, but not really elite. A great def line can make crappy coverage look way better. A great OLine can make an avg QB, and RB great.
I know more about UT football (again, respect) than most Horn fans. I was a huge Earl Campbell fan, and a fan of many other Longhorn greats. Y’all were great when your lines dominated. What pisses me off about Riley is that he loads up on elite WR’s, athletes, and Rb’s. I would like to see a recruiting class of around 15 off and def linemen, then a QB, 2 Rb, 2 WR, then athletes and DB’s to finish it out.

I've said a number of times the last few years it seems like Texas is recruiting for 7 on 7, not real football. Even in the B12 the games are still won in the trenches. Baylor controlled Texas because they are better on OL and DL, its as simple as that.

 

[Galvestonhorn]

The State of Texas high school football teams have turned into 7 on 7 league, without the emphasis on developing lineman, linebackers and instead on QB’s and skill positions. Kevlawn and runpincher are correct.

You can trace a lot of it back to Dick Olin.

 

[AC]

Last year I noticed a focus on O Line recruiting, but later in the recruiting cycle. Could be a hidden landmine to TH era.
No OLine=no offense

 

[kevlawn]

Last year I noticed a focus on O Line recruiting, but later in the recruiting cycle. Could be a hidden landmine to TH era.
No OLine=no offense

OU lost 4/5 of their OLine last yr to NFL. I knew they would struggle somewhat this yr, but I believe in Bedenaugh’s coaching abilities. I looked on OU’s roster, and pretty much every OLineman is a redshirt. They may lose their eligible center to the NFL, and grad transfer to graduation, but next yr. I think they will be a lot better (if the center)Humphrey comes back. Im not really sure how they made the list for “best line” award again this yr.
I look for Texas to be really good on the oline and def line again next yr, or the yr after that. Coach Hand does a good job.

 

[Statalyzer]

Mack Brown last 3 years:
25-14

Charlie Strong 3 years:
16-21

Tom Herman first 3 years:
23-15

When you include Mack's last 4 years instead, and realize that he did this with a team that had lost 9 games in 6 season (which he gets credit for too) while Herman's record was with a team that lost 7 games per season for 3 straight, the analysis starts to look different. I don't know if Herman will get us to where Mack used to be before, but he already did better than Mack did at the end, and with less.

 

[AC]

If TH finishes 25-15 which is 8-5 this year. Although disappointing. It is better than most fans make it appear. In 7 years before Herman, Texas was 46-42. So we had a 52.27% winning percentage over 7 years. If he wins out TH would be 62.5% with back to back top 3 recruiting classes. That is still an upward trajectory. It’s not realistic for me to expect 11-3 this year, and I did. BTW, we lost 14 starters off our 2 deep by my count to injury for 2 games or more! That really took a toll and is probably a bigger factor in the disappointment of 2019.

I almost went bankrupt and now I’m coming back and my business will likely make it because I never gave up. I see that in TH. He’s ****** up, but he never quit and I hope the team hasn’t either. We’ll see.

 

[BevoJoe]

when we fired Mack Brown

As I recall, Mack resigned/retired, wasn't fired. That came about due to the rumors floating about that we were going to hire Saban. The story indicated that Mack would retire, but if we hired Saban, he wouldn't and we'd have to fire him. The difference in the amount of the buyout was huge, so the forces that be decided nit to hire Saba Mack retired, and Chuck was hired. It was beyond weird. Looked how the program tanked after that and is still a mediocre program. The Sugar Bowl win over Georgia now looks like an anomaly and not the start back up to being elite.