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Txreds

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I said when we fired Mack Brown we will reap what we sow and I was right. Got rid of him
to get that train wreck named Strong and now chase another dud. I was right about Strong being a terrible fit. I was wrong about Herman. I thought he would pan out but he is too arrogant to understand his mistakes. If we had stayed with Mack, I can promise you we would be better off today. He deserved better and so does the University of Texas.
 
********. Mack's last four conference records were 2-6, 4-5, 5-4 and 7-2. His ability to recruit had tanked. And if you choose to believe some who say they are in the know, he screwed up a potential Saban hire.
 
Mack even admitted in his first UNC press conference when they hired him back that he learned more about scheme in his 4 years away from the game than he did in his entirety at Texas. He was imploding and his assistants were out of tread. His mental ******* of "let's try to be the Big 12 version of Alabama" after the 2009 national championship was the wrong route and set us back a decade in terms of getting everyone on the same page. He should have been fired for that alone.

The problem wasn't firing Mack, it was doing it in a way that ensured Strong would get the job instead of Franklin or literally anyone else with a pulse that would have just brought in spread X's and O's and a base defense that could pressure a QB without relying on delayed Diaz-style confusion.
 
If we had kept Mack after going 5-7, 8-5, 9-4, 8-5, then we wouldn't have had 4- and 5- loss seasons any more like we're having now?
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Mack Brown last 3 years:
25-14

Charlie Strong 3 years:
16-21

Tom Herman first 3 years:
23-15

Even if Herman wins his next two games, both Strong and Herman will both have a worse overall record than Mack's last 3 years.

I believe we would actually have fewer losses with Mack the last 6 years than without Mack the last 6 years. We are no better off today.

My opinion that we should not fire Mack after 2013 unless we had a much better hire lined up (which we did not) has been validated. I would rather have been wrong and would rather have seen Texas win more under Strong or Herman though.
 
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If Mack Brown and Billie Powers had been standup guys, there would have been no Charlie Strong debacle, so put that in your list of chicken **** things done to our program.
 
The people who screwed Texas over were the ones who gave Herman an extended contract after last season. That was stupid, since he hadn't done anything. Mediocre season in year one with a win over an average Mizzou team, and four losses in season two with a win over a Georgia team without their star players did not warrant a raise and extended contract.
 
SabreHorn you obviously have more inside knowledge than us common folks but I can tell you without a doubt that Mack is better than the two s$&t show coaches we have hired since. Had Saban come fine but to get rid of Mack for these two is absurd. I really hoped Herman would work out and I made some excuses for him until now. He is better than charlie but not much.

I got banned on here years ago for starting a thread called Charlie Sucks and now we are here again.
 
You would blame him for screwing up the Saban hire? He wanted to keep his job. And had Colt not gotten hurt who knows how that al would have changed things.



George Bailey said:
********. Mack's last four conference records were 2-6, 4-5, 5-4 and 7-2. His ability to recruit had tanked. And if you choose to believe some who say they are in the know, he screwed up a potential Saban hire.
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I've heard multiple stories about the Saban deal, everything from he was definitely coming to neither Saban nor his agent was ever contacted. The CS hire was a surprise, and turned out to be a disaster. TH looked pretty good after last year, but we tanked this season starting with the loss to ou. At this point I have no clue what will happen after season's end, and the talk out there is all over the range of possibilities from him being fired to no change and he gets a bonus for getting the team to a bowl game. We'll all know long about early January, what ever it may be. But I have a bad feeling the decision will be TH will be back along with his staff. I hope there will, at least. be staff changes made if TH comes back, but who knows? CDC probably, but he ain't talkin'.
 
SabreHorn said:
If Mack Brown and Billie Powers had been standup guys, there would have been no Charlie Strong debacle, so put that in your list of chicken **** things done to our program.
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And it would help if a school like Texas with all of it’s resources and brand identity had the common sense to have something in place called succession plans.
It appeared to me that Mack’s ego + no prior planning = Texas caught with their pants down = Charlie Strong.
 
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theiioftx said:
It means you are an aggy troll. We all know the “reds” theme for aggy. Go back to TexAgs and brag about trolling. And talk about how your $75 million dollar coach dominates losing teams like Lamar.
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“Aggy troll”. I graduated from UT class of 96. Grew up on Texas football. You attack me because my opinion is different than yours? You sir are a classless individual who acts just like the “aggy trolls” you despise so much.
 
People who say I told you so lose credibility the second they say it. Like you're the smartest guy in the room and no one knows it so you have to tell us. None of us know how Mack would have fared these last 6 years. Better? Worse? The same? None of us know.
What we do know is he had no experienced backup QB ready for the Alabama fiasco when Colt got hurt because he never let anyone (Sherrod Harris) play any remotely meaningful playing time. That's ****** coaching.
After we lost to Alabama, he tried to make us more in their image, a power running team. When that didn't work, he threw his assistants under the bus, saying, and I quote "I can't trust 'em". That's poor leadership. Not to mention wtf were you watching all spring and summer that made you think the plan was working? Probably golfing and drinking scotch with McCombs and Hicks.
So, I'm calling ******** on how great Mack was. He had a good run. But in the end, he was mailing it in (by his own admission in 2010) and he's hugely responsible for the demise of UT football. He wasn't the program. He was a steward. And he blew it.
Screw him.
 
theiioftx said:
It means you are an aggy troll. We all know the “reds” theme for aggy. Go back to TexAgs and brag about trolling. And talk about how your $75 million dollar coach dominates losing teams like Lamar.
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Also, reds theme? Reds is because I love to fish for redfish. When I am not hunting like I am today, I am chasing reds on the coast.
 
BornOrange0855 said:
People who say I told you so lose credibility the second they say it. Like you're the smartest guy in the room and no one knows it so you have to tell us. None of us know how Mack would have fared these last 6 years. Better? Worse? The same? None of us know.
What we do know is he had no experienced backup QB ready for the Alabama fiasco when Colt got hurt because he never let anyone (Sherrod Harris) play any remotely meaningful playing time. That's ****** coaching.
After we lost to Alabama, he tried to make us more in their image, a power running team. When that didn't work, he threw his assistants under the bus, saying, and I quote "I can't trust 'em". That's poor leadership. Not to mention wtf were you watching all spring and summer that made you think the plan was working? Probably golfing and drinking scotch with McCombs and Hicks.
So, I'm calling ******** on how great Mack was. He had a good run. But in the end, he was mailing it in (by his own admission in 2010) and he's hugely responsible for the demise of UT football. He wasn't the program. He was a steward. And he blew it.
Screw him.
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Mack should have played another QB more during that year. In fact, I wish he had even considered throwing John Chiles in to run the zone read against Bama. I was at the game and we were so much faster than them. Even with Gilbert’s four picks we were close until the end.

I didn’t say I told you so. I said I was right that firing Mack was not a good move. Especially with no plan in place. You think he was such a bad coach? NC has 5 wins this year and that team was a disaster when he got there.

You said Mack was responsible for the demise of Texas football. What a joke. He was the resurgence of Texas football. Just what had we won in the years before him? It had been many years since Texas football was good. He may have slipped up and got comfortable in the end but even Darrell had a few bad seasons mixed in during that time.
 
I don't get the notion that Mack should have been a stand up guy and stepped aside. I'd like to know who amongst us here would bring a program back like he did and then just step aside after going 8-5.
 
horninchicago said:
I don't get the notion that Mack should have been a stand up guy and stepped aside. I'd like to know who amongst us here would bring a program back like he did and then just step aside after going 8-5.
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That’s exactly how I feel. It would be just the same at our work if we did great things for a company and poured our heart and soul into it and all of the sudden we are no longer wanted. It’s not easy to give up.
 
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Txreds said:
That’s exactly how I feel. It would be just the same at our work if we did great things for a company and poured our heart and soul into it and all of the sudden we are no longer wanted. It’s not easy to give up.
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That is very true, but Mack said a coach would know when it’s time to go and he had to have known that it was his time. The elevator to the penthouse goes up very slowly, but it can crash down to the s-it house very fast.
It is a shame to damage a brilliant legacy by staying too long. His exit should have been discussed, ageed to and planed with the administration well before the time to go. It should never have become messy.
Want to know how it is done? Look to Noman.
 
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Txred I have wondered the same thing about that game. Why did Chile’s, who had run the backup role all year, not get into the game? I questioned it at the game and ever since.
 
Txreds said:
Mack should have played another QB more during that year. In fact, I wish he had even considered throwing John Chiles in to run the zone read against Bama. I was at the game and we were so much faster than them. Even with Gilbert’s four picks we were close until the end.

I didn’t say I told you so. I said I was right that firing Mack was not a good move. Especially with no plan in place. You think he was such a bad coach? NC has 5 wins this year and that team was a disaster when he got there.

You said Mack was responsible for the demise of Texas football. What a joke. He was the resurgence of Texas football. Just what had we won in the years before him? It had been many years since Texas football was good. He may have slipped up and got comfortable in the end but even Darrell had a few bad seasons mixed in during that time.
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100% spot on
 
Txreds said:
Mack should have played another QB more during that year. In fact, I wish he had even considered throwing John Chiles in to run the zone read against Bama. I was at the game and we were so much faster than them. Even with Gilbert’s four picks we were close until the end.

I didn’t say I told you so. I said I was right that firing Mack was not a good move. Especially with no plan in place. You think he was such a bad coach? NC has 5 wins this year and that team was a disaster when he got there.

You said Mack was responsible for the demise of Texas football. What a joke. He was the resurgence of Texas football. Just what had we won in the years before him? It had been many years since Texas football was good. He may have slipped up and got comfortable in the end but even Darrell had a few bad seasons mixed in during that time.
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One thing is for sure, if you don't have a back up QB ready, you sure as hell don't run your all american QB up the middle against the best DL in football in the 1st Qtr.
 
nashhorn said:
Txred I have wondered the same thing about that game. Why did Chile’s, who had run the backup role all year, not get into the game? I questioned it at the game and ever since.
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If you are talking about the title game vs Bama, it was Sherrod HArris who should have been put in when Colt went down. Several former Horns including VY were pissed that Mack put Gilbert in, and really really pissed when Mack didn't make the switch to Harris after halftime. Harris was a poor man's VY, and would have lead us to victory !!!!!!!!!
 
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