Gay Marriage Momentum

[NJlonghorn]

In 2004, MA became the first US state to recognize gay marriage. As recently as early 2012, only 5 states had joined MA, with only one (IA) outside of the Northeast. Just 3 years later, recognition has mushroomed to 35 states covering 70% of the US population.

I hope Charlie Strong can garner this kind of momentum!

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[Mr. Deez]

It's amazing what a federal judge can do.

 

[nashhorn]

True, and public opinion be damned.

 

[Horns11]

Whose opinion? Yours?

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[Mr. Deez]

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[nashhorn]

Got me on that horns, but the generality of my comment is true, ie public opinion is often not consistent with their decision.
Deez points out that it is irrelevant to the matter.

 

[Clean]

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[theiioftx]

What about polygamy? Where does the right to marry stop?

 

[nashhorn]

Don't completely agree with that statement NJ. I believe the founding fathers hated more the 'will of the people' being subject to the 'will (or total control) of a King', or the dictates of an all powerful Government, but that is just mho. And I hope BF's lamb can run like hell.

 

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[Mr. Deez]

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[rickysrun]

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[theiioftx]

Does that include a 50 year old man and his 22 year old daughter if they are both consenting? I sure hope not.

 

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[theiioftx]

It seems you are limiting it to more than two consenting adults. So you are in favor of discriminating against Mormons who want to have multiple wives?

 

[Larry T. Spider]

It seems like marriage in the US is whatever the dominant culture wants it to be. For a long time interracial marriage wasn't allowed but there were few age restrictions. Now race doesn't matter but age does because that's what people wanted. Pretty soon the overwhelming majority of Americans will favor gay marriage and they will get what they want.

 

[theiioftx]

While I agree with conclusion, why are federal courts deciding? It seems states are already leading in this way only to have federal judges overrule actual legal votes by the public.

It just seems it is heading to a place that nobody can determine how marriage is actually defined without discriminating against someone, regardless of how it conflicts with a majority of the public's belief system.

 

[Mr. Deez]

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[zork]

What about ma sweet little ewe? /aggy

 

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[theiioftx]

Polygamy does not bother me nor does what two or more consenting adults decide makes them happy. However, converting it to the common definition of marriage is a problem because of the aforementioned issues in defining what is acceptable. At the core of marriage is having a biological family. Laws designed to promote the family unit are good for the country in my opinion.

If citizens decide they want additional forms of benefits for unions of people, so be it. Take a vote and leave the courts out of it.

 

[Larry T. Spider]

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[theiioftx]

My mistake in using "core" as people will interpret differently. I believe marriage originated with the goal of building a family. I know it does not always work that way and some people get married with no intention of having kids.

I still stand behind that being the largest difference in how heterosexual marriage should be different than other unions/relationships.

 

[rickysrun]

Homosexual couples often start a family. They adopt children or have a surrogate...and having been around these families all I can say is they are families with love at the core, value driven, and happy as you or me, and Isn't that the point of family?

 

[theiioftx]

Those qualities are also attributes of friendship and being genuinely good people. However, I do not agree that getting a surrogate is a healthy approach to family. Adopting unwanted kids is definitely a good thing.

Again, I do not oppose these relationships and know that they can generate positive benefits. However, trying to consolidate these relationships into the same definition of marriage is not in my wheelhouse of belief. I further believe it should be voted on and left to the people to decide. If Colorado wants to recognize it, congrats. If Texas does not, congrats. Either way, leave the federal courts out of it.