Forensic Audit in Maricopa County, AZ

Horn6721 said:
Those shredded pieces certainly look like ballots
If true there will be other sources reporting this too
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It's an older story from March. Unfortunately, the people who got their hands on it started putting ballots together and contaminated the possible crime scene so nothing will probably come out of it. We don't know if it was the real deal or just test ballots.
 
Yea SH is so frustrating he was gonna make me kick my puppy. Thanks to the ignore feature she’s all good!
 
AC said:
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That would be very impressive. 95 miles? 41k automobiles? Pure urban legend. Nobody knows where those numbers came from but the official #'s were impressive: 7k automobile caravan. Of course, there were 2.6M registered voters in Maricopa County so even if you crammed 4 voters into every one of those cars that's a mere 28k voters, a drop in the bucket for the total. 28k likely wouldn't even get you a County Board of Supervisor seat.
 
We may have a few answers here for the deletions. Arizona Audit: We Finally Have an Explanation for Deleted Election Files

"Ryan Macias, the former Assistant Director of Equipment Certification for the Election Assistance Commission,” the ABC report states. “Macias is a representative for Secretary Hobbs on the audit floor, which he says he is doing pro bono.”

“Macias reviewed the image and ascertained, based on the names and the dates, that the seven remaining deleted database files were from a post machine test that is required by statute after each election called a ‘logic and accuracy test,’ as well as the two audits already conducted at the county by ProV&V and SLI,” the report continues.

“The letter also lists a database called ‘Results Tally and Reporting’ as not being located on the server, however, the posted image did not list this database,” ABC reports. “Without further context, Macias was unable to make a determination on the claim.”'

1) This guy works for Hobbs so I am automatically suspicious of him. However, he may also be telling the truth. I'm concerned that the election ended in November and they waited to until April when the machines were under subpoena and about to be delivered to the auditors to clear old files?

2) He can't explain away why the Tallying and Reporting file is missing.
 
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Garmel said:
We may have a few answers here for the deletions. Arizona Audit: We Finally Have an Explanation for Deleted Election Files

"Ryan Macias, the former Assistant Director of Equipment Certification for the Election Assistance Commission,” the ABC report states. “Macias is a representative for Secretary Hobbs on the audit floor, which he says he is doing pro bono.”

“Macias reviewed the image and ascertained, based on the names and the dates, that the seven remaining deleted database files were from a post machine test that is required by statute after each election called a ‘logic and accuracy test,’ as well as the two audits already conducted at the county by ProV&V and SLI,” the report continues.

“The letter also lists a database called ‘Results Tally and Reporting’ as not being located on the server, however, the posted image did not list this database,” ABC reports. “Without further context, Macias was unable to make a determination on the claim.”'

1) This guy works for Hobbs so I am automatically suspicious of him. However, he may also be telling the truth. I'm concerned that the election ended in November and they waited to until April when the machines were under subpoena and about to be delivered to the auditors to clear old files?

2) He can't explain away why why the Tallying and Reporting file is missing.
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If it's like most workplaces, they leave the machines as they were until they need to use them again. Then they get rid of stuff and get it ready for the next one.
 
OUBubba said:
If it's like most workplaces, they leave the machines as they were until they need to use them again. Then they get rid of stuff and get it ready for the next one.
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Yes, but they did this while the machines were under subpoena. Why? Why didn't they give the auditing team a heads up that they were doing this because this looks suspicious as hell?
 
Garmel said:
Yes, but they did this while the machines were under subpoena. Why? Why didn't they give the auditing team a heads up that they were doing this because this looks suspicious as hell?
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Communication between the County and investigators hasn't been clean. Remember, the SOS had to go to court just to get monitors into the audit and get the auditors to list their procedures. Neither side trusts the other. Reminder, this is Republican vs. Republican in every situation except the AZ SOS who is a Democrat. The local County Supervisors (4-1 R advantage) have joined with the AZ SOS.
 
Garmel said:
This is the kind of **** that is embarrassing and makes me think these guys are corrupt. Yes, you may have the database on your hard drive there but the machines that were delivered to the audit team had their files deleted or is hidden for some reason. This guy is proving absolutely nothing and he knows it.

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I was watching today's Maricopa Board meeting today and this Richer guy said that individual health records are stored and maintained on routers and that's why the routers can't be given to the auditors. :facepalm:
 
When they getting the AG involved?? There needs to be a legal proceeding and full indictments eventually. Sorry, this is going to trigger SH. There really are crimes here. It comes to this eventually!
 
Members of the Board are saying they won't attend the mandatory hearing tomorrow with the senators. Their childish antics in regards to Senator Fann's letter and this make them look guilty.
 
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The Maricopa Board is saying that our democracy is imperiled because of the audit. Our democracy is not in peril. If the auditors are frauds like you think the truth will come out. Using idiotic buzzwords like this is dumb. They also refuse to attend the mandatory hearing today.
The Board is not acting like someone who is innocent even if they could be.
 
Garmel said:
The Board is not acting like someone who is innocent even if they could be.
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How is an innocent Board supposed to act? The Republican dominated board have had their integrity impugned from the beginning. They weren't invited to respond to the sham hearing that resulted in this investigation.

Now a Republican took over the County Recorder role in January. They are being asked to respond to what they perceive as rudimentary questions posed first publicly. Stephen Richer could easily have jumped onto supporting the audit. Based on everything he's seen to date he didn't. To me, that says volumes. Why would he take on someone else's "guilt"? To claim they are acting guilty you concurrently are inferring that Stephen Richer, who was not involved in the election prior to January, has chosen to defend the guilt of others thereby implicating himself. That isn't logical.
 
Horn6721 said:
Has there been a logical factual explanation on Why they are so opposed to the forensic audit?
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Has there been logical factual evidence on why a forensic audit was warranted?

You could make a case that what you are seeing is exactly why they didn't want an audit. An inexperienced auditor asking questions prompted by their lack of understanding of processes and systems and you can see why someone would be resistant. Not sure anyone would "welcome" an audit by someone that has not business analyzing/questioning their process.

Head down to your local gas station and pick out the first person you meet and ask them to audit your job. How open would you be to that level of "audit"?
 
Horn6721 said:
Has there been a logical factual explanation on Why they are so opposed to the forensic audit?
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They are afraid the auditors will make a false or ignorant claim that on later analysis prove not to be true. Of course the left does this all the time via their conspirators in the media, which is why they hate it when GOP controls the news.
 
I get an internal audit by my company and I get audited by the state every year. I have nothing to hide I give them all the paperwork they ask for and show them areas they want to see. No problem.
 
humahuma said:
I get an internal audit by my company and I get audited by the state every year. I have nothing to hide I give them all the paperwork they ask for and show them areas they want to see. No problem.
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Those are trained auditors. Would you invite the facilities department to audit your finances?
 
You haven’t meet them, the state auditors are not trained, the internal auditors take an audit class and a person from regulatory affairs audited me that was in Remediation. She didn’t know anything about Remediation.
 
Another note. The Antrim County election case was officially dismissed today. Judge didn't rule for/against but rather that the Michigan law that allows residents to request an audit has been fulfilled by the State of Michigan's recent statewide audit that was completed in March.
 
The audit team today recovered the database that was deleted, the one the Board said they didn't delete. Looking on the Maricopa Board twitter they are saying they pointed it out to them.

Who are you going to believe? The team who showed up to testify at the hearing or the Board who won't testify under threat of perjury? Hmm......

Seriously, I'd love for the Board to go under oath and share some of their router excuses for the world to see.

Oh, here's the kicker. The Board released their report today to the press before they released it to the Arizona senate. What's that tell ya?
 
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