Faster Defense in 2001

SL Xpress

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The sentiment originated by the coaching staff and echoed on Texas BBSes is the emphasis on speed will make up for the deficiencies created by the loss of Hampton and Rogers and weaknesses reflected in losses to Oklahoma and Oregon.

While I have no problem with the coaches spouting this, the lockstep of opinion as reflected by a number of posts by board regulars puzzles me.

It's like prior to the 2000 campaign, when all I heard was how the offensive line's performance was going to improve due to the new lean mean philosophy inflicted on the OL starters. While Mike Williams' performance was off the chart compared to 99, I would be hard pressed to name another incumbent who showed significant gains. Instead we're all faced with acknowledging the same culprits from the three previous years - simple blocking schemes on running attacks, a discrete set of play calls which fail to build on one another, and a lack of practice time allotment in blocking drills designed to emphasize physical play.

A similar argument can be made on the defensive side of the ball entering the 2001 season. All the coaches publicly talk about is a need to get more speed on the field in the aftermath of the Holiday Bowl. Position changes of Gordon to tackle, McClintock to DE, and Lee Jackson to LB are cited as evidence of this 'new' emphasis on getting more speed on the field.

IMO this ignores the more obvious ailment. I don't blame the coaches for fixating on the more speed quotient, however I'm somewhat startled by the number of folks who seem to wholeheartedly swallow this as a possible successful quick fix.

It could be argued that replacing Shaun Rogers, Casey Hampton, and Greg Brown with players on the roster will by definition make the defense faster, since those were the three slowest players in 40 times at their respective positions.

But anyone who thinks those three spots provided the crux of the defenses difficulties, were not watching the same football games I was.

The lack of a pass rush by the front four, and the lack of instinct demonstrated by the linebackers were much larger issues. Neither of those were caused by a lack of speed, with the possible exception of DT (which was inarguably the strength of the defense). OJ McClintock is not faster than Cory Redding or Kalen Thornton.

Lee Jackson will not be any faster than Tyrone Jones.

I will accept the argument that either new players supplanting the incumbents, or conversely the incumbents themselves stepping up their level of play, will lead to a more effective defense, but it won't be because of a sudden injection of speed.

This group must simply react to the ball better, or the same types of plays which plagued the defense all year long - screens, end arounds, quarterback scrambles, and simple backfield misdirection - will prove their undoing in the coming campaign. That isn't about running faster. The 2000 defense ran plenty fast enough. It's just that too often it was in the wrong direction.
 
I think you are right to a point. Granted that Lee Jackson will not be any faster than Tyrone Jones. However, the idea is to spread the speed out among all three LB spots. You are also right about the players initial reaction to backfield plays. They play very aggressively and try to get that extra step so that they can make the big play. That is the accepted problem with our D. Hopefully they will learn to stay at home and trust their speed to get them to the ball to make a play when they need to.
UTME

Longhorn Loud and Proud
 
I concur. Defensive speed from sideline to sideline is a great asset, however, it is not a cure to ails our defensive woes. I think the key will be teaching our DE's and LB's the discipline to stay at home when plays go away. Over pursuit killed us last year and unless we correct this problem thw woes will continue. I think our secondary will be fine. Anyone ever heard of the "spyback".
 
Forgive me. That should read "not a cure to our defensive woes" and "the woes will continue". Gotta stop the happy hours during the middle of the week.
 
OJ McClintock is not faster than Cory Redding or Kalen Thornton?

McClintock is a hell of a lot quicker than either Redding or Thornton. McClintock could play DB in a pinch. The same could not be said about the other two. Speed and quickness can cover up a lot of mistakes as can hustle. Having a more solid rotation of quick players will most definitely help our defense. Changes in scheme such as using Lee Jackson as a rover will also help.

How much of an improvement do you hope to see, though? We had a very solid defense last year. Except for a few losses (Stanford, Oklahoma, and Oregon) our defense looked damn good. And with changes to our defense including more nickle and dime packages and more quickness throughout the depth chart, we will see enough improvement this year to put us in the top 10 in the country.
 
Uninformed,

Name one good offensive (Top 50) team we played besides our three losses? Please do not give me Tech and God forbid don't say A&M.
 
SL
Your argument is assuming that that since we saw a lack of improvement on the OL last year we will see the same lack of improvements on the D this year.

Frankly, I do not believe this to be the case. I believe that coaching can dictate team speed even if our personnel changes little. Between my freshman and sophomore years in college, our coaches decided that our D was to slow. Over the spring and through the next fall, I was coached to make slight changes in my technique that were part of a broader defensive philosophy. My 40 times did not improve but my on field "speed" did.
How? By subtle changes in stance, initial step, hand placement, and hole assignments dictated by our defensive changes. Most of these changes allowed our D to get to the ball carrier faster. The result was a marked improvement in "team speed" even though our average 40 and shuttle times were relatively unchanged.




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Philip Hicks: "We could get diseases."
Edited by Gardner Barnes on 5/31/01 10:02 AM.
 
Uninformed,

No. I do not consider OJ McClintock appreciably faster than Redding or Thornton. This is not a knock on McClintock.

One, at this point OJ would never see the secondary even under the most dire injury situation. 3 plays against Baylor at the end of the game in his freshmen year does not equal "could play DB in a pinch." Since then he has gained a bunch of weight. While I find it surprising, I was told he was not among the quicker linebackers on the team last year. The exact opposite in fact. What he does possess is extremely good antipication combined with an ability to read the QBs eyes, hence his propensity for interceptions.

In fact, one of the reasons he's being moved to DE is his lack of speed. Again, surprising but true.

Redding, on the other hand, is a freak of nature. Something I'm sure you're aware. He still possesses a sub 4.6 at 275. That's insane.

As far as Thornton, I simply go back to the Holiday Bowl, where on a option pitch to his side he first forced the Oregon QB to release the ball, and then ran down Maurice Morris, no slouch in the speed department himself. In my mind it was the most athletic play of the game by any player on either side.

After watching Rawls and Lewis procure the vast majority of snaps, and Tyrone Jones receive the bulk as the third linebacker, I'm unconvinced until I actually see it occur that a "more solid rotation" of players, quick or not, is going to occur. I would further argue that putting Boyd and Wilkins in the game more often, while it would have actually slowed the defense down, might have made it more effective. I won't say that's necessarily true. Only that there was a lack of data either way because of the preponderance of play from the starters.

I don't hope to see any improvement, frankly. If the defense maintains a similar overall effectiveness, with the obvious exception of the OU game --- which was a team meltdown more than anything --- then I'll be pleased.

That does assume a more effective offense, which I fully expect we'll see.

BTW, I don't know why folks harp on the Stanford game as a poor performance by the defense. Other than allowing the game winning touchdown, which more than anything was the result of a stupid personnel decision by Reese and Brown, I thought the defense played fairly admirably. The quarterback was running for his life the whole game. It was only through miraculously throwing the ball away time after time he avoided so many sacks. I don't remember the Cardinal rushing attack being all that potent.
 
Gardner Barnes, great points. Thanks for the response.

Two things.

One, your post is actually an agreement of the spirit of my post. Namely, that an increase in effectiveness will not come through faster players seeing the field, simply because the players who were on the field last year were plenty fast. It will come through better technique, particularly at DE and LB.

Two, in your opinion, how much improvement can we expect from players like Lewis, Rawls and Jones, who are three year lettermen? I do not ask that as a loaded question, although it sure sounds that way when I reread it. I'm honestly asking, is it reasonable to expect anything more than incremental improvements? Do you foresee one of them having a breakout year? Any one of them in particular?
 
SL Xpress,

I agree with the general premise of your post: "faster" players on D alone will not solve our problems.

Although I share your desire to improve our run blocking abilites and scheme, I disagree some on your contention that OL play did not improve last year.

At the end of '99, it suddenly became painfully obvious that the "bring the house" blitz K-state had used could easily cripple us. But the following year pass blocking was considerable improved.

Obviously, OL don't play in a vaccum, and viable arguments can be made that improvements at WR, and more mobile QB play helped. I think the same type of scenario could play itself out next year with our defense.

I agree with you re: pass rush. As much as I love Cory, he wasn't a very good pass rusher last year. Kaelen(sic?) showed much better instincts for the QB IMO. But I believe this year we will see an improved pass rush from both the DE's, and were likely to also see the same from the DT spot. This one factor alone will improve another area of concern, LB play. The LB's won't have to help with the apss rush as often, and they may be able allowed to react a little bit more, especially when it comes to misdirections, shuttle passes, and the like. At least that is my hope.

I also think Derrick Johnson is too talented to not be a starter by season's end (barring injury). LHB says he's at 215 weightwise, and if you've seen RIR video, you know he's got the LB instincts we've been searching for.
 
SL Express:

Thoughtful post. The most discernible difference we'll have in speed will be at safety, where we essentially swap out Ahmad Brooks or Vasher for Greg Brown. Gordon certainly injects serious speed and quickness into the DT rotation while McClintock has much more quickness, though not speed, than Cory Redding. We've made some upgrades, but I think most observant fans know the best upgrade for our defensive woes will be graduation at year's end by one particular unit (please read between the not-so-subtle lines there). Rewatching the game tapes after the year just blew me away.

I think it's also important to make a distinction here between what the coaches tell the fan base for easy consumption -- 95% of whom lack the knowledge to know if they're being put on (example: our coaches talking about going back to the "Ricky offense" to re-establish the running game; "simplifying things" -- when in fact we introduced more trapping/pulling schemes) -- versus having to call out individual players. Our coaches won't do that publically because they're generally good guys, so they'll attribute our loss to Oregon to a lack of speed. If they honestly believe that (which I doubt) then I suppose we're in real trouble aren't we?

Uninformed:

OJ McClintock weighs 250 pounds right now. Get real. He'd be about as much help at DB right now as William Winston. This would be the same sort of "pinch" that would have Major Applewhite playing slot WR.

As for your statement that our defense played pretty well except for our losses, well, right. Losses are bad. We'd generally like to avoid them.
 
It is not solely about the speed as I think however fast a guy runs the forty is not relevant. What is of concern is the number of times our LB corp could not force clean-up tackles, sacks and hurries unless we full out blitzed and even then they were picked up at times. With Casey and Shaun clogging the middle our LB's pretty much had clean-up duty and blitzing responsibilities. How many times did we see DD dance around a block and overrun a play? How many times did you see Bull blitz our LB's and still not get to the QB or force the ball quicker. I am sure to get blasted but I would rather have a guy like Sendlein in there and some other young guys with great instincts who will put his nose in the middle and take the FB head up. We need hungry LB play and we are not getting it. We need LB's who slobber all over themselves, like contact and have GOOD instincts and position.

It was not that our LB's were not in the right place to make the play, can't tell you how many poor tackles or tackles that were not made because our LB did not crave contact. Part of LB play IMO is cerebral and being in position, the other part I think is reckless abandon.

I think DD closes great and chases down a bunch of plays backside, just look to the spring game for proof but our LB is not up to speed and we have to find a way to get more pressure on the qb. Misdirection plays when you had slow guys sometimes was a benefit and I say this half TIC but by the time the reverse got back around Dusty was there with a big grin licking his chops. It is not about the speed quotient all the time. It is about the technique, instinct, reads and nastyness. I want a MLB like Britt Hager who would blow plays up and no way you ran around his assignments. We have to look at what teams did to us last year and then realize why they did it over and over again. There is a reason folks and there is a reason it was successful. Our LB play MUST get better and that might mean youth.

Bottom line IMO is this is about trying to find new combinations to get the results we seek. I agree with SL that speed is not a panacea for the misdirection plays and reverses. I am open to someone new stepping into MLB who quite frankly is the QB of the D. MLB is the heart of the D and everyone looks to that man to lead by example. DD has heart and can pump people up but I do not remember many plays he has blown people up or shoved the FB back into the hole and taken out the RB. I do not remember our LB corp taking over a game and making punishing hits and stuffing runs.

Here is another nugget for discussion. The fact that we had the #1 secondary in the nation last year means nothing if we cannot find a way for our LB's to creat havoc and come up with some new blitzes and pressure. Reese could have AA's back there and by the way we do but they cannot be left in coverage for 10 seconds. Our LB play has got to pick up and it starts IMO at the MLB spot.


Edited by shadow on 5/31/01 10:28 AM.
 
UTME, thanks for the response.

Thanks for realizing Tyrone Jones is about as fast as Lee Jackson. Although you say the idea is to spread the speed out among all three LB spots, I don't see anyone replacing DD Lewis with more speed. If anything, there'll be less speed with his replacement. While there may be an incremental increase in speed by replacing Rawls, and I doubt even that, he's the one guy of the three who least needs substituting.
 
Yes, blitzhorn, I agree.

Being able to read a play by the linebackers, and an ability to disengage the offensive tackles by the DEs, will be very useful if discovered prior to the 2001 season opener.
 
Gosh dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10 ******* minutes of typing and I get a ******* internal server error. I ******* hate it when this board does that! $#@!$(&*!!!!!!!!!

Oh well, I had something typed up for you to chew on, SL, but it's gone now. I have to get back to work.
 
You're right Shadow, you will get blasted. Though that won't make you any less right.

A significant contingent of fans on this board actually believe that Hampton and Rogers drawing double teams and leaving DD unblocked more than half of the time actually hurt DD's tackle numbers and prevented him from reaching his potential.

Hey, Jack Lambert: those triple teams Joe Greene had every play hurt your numbers dude.
 
Sorry, I misread your post. I see that we agree.

Our changes were a mixed blessing for me as they improved my on field performance but the technique also put me in a position that lead to the destruction of my knee (which consequently lead to a transfer to UT, but that is a story for another day)

On Lewis, Rawls, and Jones:

It is hard for me to say. I never played LB. I can tell you that we had two Srs in the D backfield when the changes were implemented and we went from last to first the conference in total d with only minor changes in personnel. While I cannot honestly say that there were or were not improvements by our Srs in the D backfield, there was an overall improvement in the defense. I believe the improvements were cumulative: a sum of parts kind of thing. Small improvements in 8-11 players equaled huge improvements in the overall D.

Maybe we will see the same with our D.


Gardner Barnes: "We could see the Donkey Lady!"
Philip Hicks: "We could get diseases."
 
couchman

My only point in bringing up the OL was that a stringent diet wasn't the cure all for their performance, just as an increase in speed is not the panacea for all ills for the defense this coming year. You are correct in pointing out there were not any KSU type performances in 2000.

Cory did lead the team in sacks last year. It's just that our expectations are so high for the kid. I'm pleased with how he's performed. I thought he would be more dominating. There's still time. I'm not sure whether Kalen played better or not, but he certainly exceeded expectations. I wasn't thinking he would letter in the preseason, much less start all year. The fact he made so many special plays marks him as a rare talent. I'm anticipating a heck of an improvement from his freshman to sophomore season. He should be exciting to watch.

Your hope of improved LB play due to a better front four rush is as reasonable as any I've seen.

I don't foresee Derrick Johnson becoming a starter by year's end, although he may have the talent. I rarely expect true freshmen to contribute much less start. While I'm sure Johnson will see his share of the field, what players do to merit snaps at linebacker I often find baffling.
 
close to jumping,It really sucks when that happens, huh? I've decided that any time I have more than a three sentence smartassed response to add to the discussion, I'm going to save my post prior to hitting the reply button. It's a solid insurance policy against the severe frustration caused by those infernal server errors.

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HOOK 'EM!
 
ctj - your distress would be much more amusing had the same thing not happened to me more frequently than I found desirable. A tip, in all seriousness - I've started copying any thing of length to the clipboard prior to hitting the Post key. Then, if the dreaded ISE FOAD message appears, it's fairly easy to bring up the Reply box again and paste in your original comments.

To the question of incremental improvements, especially by our LBs, I think we can expect some improvement merely due to additional exposure to game situations, but I wouldn't expect those improvements to be exceptional. Learning curve theory would suggest the majority of total improvements, if measured over time, occur earlier, rather than later, in the process. To put that in football terms, that would suggest a disproportionate amount of improvment would occur in the time between year one and two, and year two and three, with improvments in later years being of a more modest nature.

The above likely varies by position - as we saw last year, it doens't appear to take a lot of time for WRs to show their stuff, although I do think the Big Three will demonstrate improvement due to the extra year of seasoning. OL, as another example, may take longer to achieve improvements due to the amount of technique and scheme they have to master - as well, some of the young guys may lack the requisite size/strength to recognize nearer term improvements.

In the case under discussion - that being our LBs - I would expect the bulk of achievable improvements to be realized by the third year. In our case, our three starters are all seniors, one in his fifth year and two in their fourth year. If my learning curve example has any applicability, then to expect serious performance upgrades from the same group of starters seems improbable to me.

Bottom line, however, and acknowledging the truth of SLX's comments about speed, we still put together a pretty robust defensive effort last year. The culprit, that being our inability to keep up with misdirection or to routinely cover TEs or backs, was the subject of considerable attention in spring, and the defensive results were encouraging. Of course, we can always debate whether that's due to defensive aptitude or offensive ineffectiveness.
 
SL Xpress---
There is a fundamental, and fatal, flaw to your entire argument. Your argument's basic premise is that the talking up of the O-line in preseason 2000 was not followed by discernible improvement in the offensive line.

The main ***** about our O-line after 1999 was that our O-line could not handle the blitz. Remember the 20 sacks in the final 3 games of '99??? Well how many did we have last year??? The fact is that the O-line was tremendously
improved in blitz protection. Witness the A&M game and the Oregon game. Our staff practiced blitz protection, almost obsessively, in preseason. In fact, as you acknowledge, to the exclusion of practicing the run game.

But given that the staff is limited in practice time, what was the most pressing need: run blocking,or blitz protection? Right, blitz protection. And guess what, they got it solved. And what happened this Spring? Emphasis on the run game (please do not cite a single scrimmage, the Spring game, as evidecne that the run was not emphasized in Spring drills). And I have every confidence that that will be solved as well.

So given that our staff's words were in fact followed by improvement, there is no reason not to believe that our defense will not be improved as well. There is no reason not to believe that the staff knows what it's doing, despite your nuanced doubts.
 
Good post, SLX!!! I hope Reese realizes the problems with "one of our units" and disguises our coverages and blitzes better in order to help the lack of instinct and playmaking ability of "one of our units". Akina is perfect for the new coverages that Reese may want to add to our defense.
 
In any field of endeavor, giant strides in improvement are NOT necessary in order to see giant strides in RESULTS. In the patent area, for example, most inventions are merely incremental improvements over the prior art, yet these patents earn the owners millions of dollars. I am listening to a sales tape by Brian Tracy who says the same thing about sales people—that if you improve your sales technique by a mere 10%, you will see enormous increases in commissions.

With the limited number of scholarships, the ability of the player at any given position versus the same position on another Big-12 team is much closer than you might think. There are exceptions, of course, such as “pump fake for TD.” However, by how much does Roy usually beat his man? I would say more likely inches than feet when it comes to making the reception. It’s this small increment of distance brought about by his small increment in speed that ends up in profound results after the catch.

My point is, the defense or the senior LB’s don’t have to improve very much in order to produce results that can help lead us to Pasadena.

BTW: clj, I recommend drafting our messages in MSWord with spell/grammar check turned on. It can lead to a longer life.
 
I could be one of the folks you're thinking of, as I have a sneaking suspicion we'll be a better D in 2001. I attributed part of that to a better pass rush from the front four in another thread, and better pass coverage (from a group that was already strong) from the secondary. The LB play is obviously our glaring weakness, and although I don't expect huge improvements there, I'm hopeful that we'll see some small steps in the right direction.

As for the speed argument, I buy that increased team speed by itself isn't worth much, but it sure doesn't hurt. I remember (as a fan) mentally preparing for the Miami Cotton Bowl, and talking to friends on the UT team. Every one of them was convinced that we'd overpower Miami with our brute strength vs their team speed. I then remember watching them brutalize us from before the kickoff through the final tick of the clock.

Not only were they fast, they were mean, they were tough, they tackled with conviction, and they were good football players (complete convicts, too, but good football players).

I'm not sure I believe that our defensive team speed really improved that much with the personnel changes, or that it was really the reason for the changes.

From what I hear, it wasn't a shock to anyone who saw OJ in person that he wasn't going to stay at LB--he simply outgrew it.

As for Gordon, we needed depth at DT, and he, like Bradford, could provide it. It made more sense to move him, an outgoing senior, into a position which perhaps he isn't ideally built for, than to force a change on a younger player. We needed a one-year fix, as, in all likelihood, our DL depth next year (2002) will be much better.

Assuming all goes as expected, we'll lose only Anderson, Gordon, and Bradford, and we'll gain Sonny Davis (a JR), Earl Anderson, Lyle Sendlein, and a slew of other top-notch DL recruits (I'm guessing a total of 7, including Sonny). I'll take that trade, given that I'd expect Sonny to get more snaps in 2002 than the three Seniors in 2001.

The move for Lee Jackson wasn't a speed move, unless the intention was to increase the secondary speed, not LB. I think it more likely that the staff (Akina in particular) feel that DB's should be able to cover receivers well, and that an upgrade was possible. I assume (perhaps wrongly) that Lee has better coverage skills than most of our LB's, so we get a dual-improvement in that area by moving him.

One last thought on my incoherent response. I think these coaches hate playing freshmen, or even second-year players. I think when we see it happen, we're watching an oddity. I looked over the history at UNC, and with one exception, after their 2nd-year Mack never played more than 4 true freshmen in a season. I think the odds of DJ coming in and earning a starting job over any of a quintet of seniors are extraordinary. I'm not even sure I want him on the field, given how much I'd hate to see him burn a year of eligibility for 20-30 snaps. Anyway, my point is that I think it IS possible that we'll see more of Boyd this year, and Sendlein, Thomas, and Satchell, than was indicated by Spring Practice. August two-a-days will be very important to those 4. If they show up ready to play, I'm guessing they will, particularly Boyd (3rd-year player).

On the other hand, if they show up as Lee Jackson and Courtnee Garcia supposedly did last August, somewhat out of condition (the excuse used by the staff for the hamstring injuries, as I recall), they'll watch from the sidelines in horror as the play goes right to left while the LB's go left to right.
 
Two places that an injection of speed can and will likely help us are at safety, where OU victimized Jackson effectively, and at the rover spot, where Oregon victimized just about every linebacker. When there's a flair pass to a back, I expect Lee to at least be in the frame...and we did need to upgrade speed at safety to beat OU.

The more likely defensive improvement, at least against OU, is likely to come from Akina's added sophistication to the coverage schemes, and his general improvement in coaching style and technique.

Defensive speed does matter when you're aggressive and make lots of mistakes as a consequence...but as you point out, it is more important to get to the right spot and know what to do once you get there. I hope that we're slowly building a defence that can do both. We're a few linebackers away.

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They say speed kills. Well, it also sells. The coaches can say whatever they want about creating a faster D; the huddled masses will buy it, as will the magazines and press reports on the team. Bottom line: Speed is the reason we lost the Oregon game, and can easily be used against you and turned into a weakness.
More important than speed are linebackers and ends who don't overreact to playfakes, i.e. ones with good instincts and discipline.

Our defense is already very, very fast. It is not
very disciplined yet.

I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam, of course.
-Walter
 
The 'Faster Defense in 2001' appears to also be an attempt to get 'playmakers' on the field with the speed factor possibly being coincidental.

I see the position changes in some ways being a way to get players like Pearson and Vasher as many snaps as possible. IMO, our coming of age difference makers happen to be in the secondary for next season and we are better off if we can make room for their PT.

Somewhat related to what CarKev mentioned, this change might partially represent a one year arrangement that helps address D-line depth but also gets some killer players out there together.
 
Triple,I agree. I think the coaches are trying to get the best players/play makers on the field. That requires some shuffling of players. It's kind of like one of those plastic number puzzles that you used to get as a party favor at a 5 year old's b-day party. You have to re-arrange all the numbers till they are in order...or in our case, the best combination of players on the field.

UTME

Longhorn Loud and Proud
 
SL Xpress,

Thanks for your response and for starting an excellent topic.

It seems we agree on most points, with the exception of Derrick Johnson. I believe he has the potential to have an impact similar to what Cedric could bring. And I see LB to be a "need" position for us this fall, almost as much as RB. In both cases the guys we have will do a solid job, but why settle for that when you've got all-world potential standing by?

I'm not trying to convince you, and I realize I may be wrong. After all, trying to predict how much impact a freshman will have is dicey at best.

How many of us saw K. Thorton tearing it up the way he did? That was a lovely surprise.
 

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