Ethics and Morality

Loyalty to what?
I imagine Goebbels, Goring, Himmler et al were loyal to the Fuhrer and his ideology/goals
Where does this fit ethically and morally?
 
Loyalty is a complex thought. Some could tie loyalty to morals and ethics....but....

I believe a lot of loyalty simply comes from if you're treated well then in general you'll stick with someone or something until you're not. For example, I'm fairly loyal to following Texas and ethics nor morality play any role in that.

I'm in Austin, my wife graduated from Texas, I've spent more time on the 40 than any person who didn't attend the school should be there and they win a lot. So I'm pretty loyal.

I used to be loyal to Tennessee athletics. I grew up there, followed the teams for 50+ years, but the longer I was here the less loyal I was to Tennessee becoming more of an occasional fan. Then when their fanbase wend full on goofball after we took Schloss from aggy I lost all respect. I don't think that was morals or ethics, just them being irrational idiots so I have officially dumped Tennessee all together.
 
Assuming there is a universal standard for ethics and morality, then I fail to see where loyalty falls into play, unless you mean loyalty to ethics and morality. Loyalty in this context seems merely to mean faithfulness to these standards even in the face of temptation.
 
Loyalty and faithfulness are kind of the same thing.

Marriage - faithfulness and loyalty to your spouse.

Religion - the 12 Tribes brought about much trouble due to disloyalty to G_d and instead bowing to and serving foreign “deities”
 
Benedict Arnold - an exceptional tactician and General who got screwed over by the Army leadership.

He is remembered for, despised, and held up as our Judas, for his disloyalty.
 
Speaking of Judas, he’s considered a really bad guy because he was disloyal.

In the military, you don’t get the death penalty for boinking the Captain’s wife or daughter. You do get the death penalty for treason or desertion in time of war. Disloyalty.
 
mchammer said:
Ethics are rules and regulations, whether written or observed in practice. Morality is about right and wrong independent of ethics.
Click to expand...
Helping a slow cane-using elderly person across the street when he's about to get hit by a car otherwise. Is that ethics or morality? Both?
 
Chop said:
Benedict Arnold - an exceptional tactician and General who got screwed over by the Army leadership.

He is remembered for, despised, and held up as our Judas, for his disloyalty.
Click to expand...
Ethically Judas (edit: I meant Arnold) was in the wrong but morally he may have been right to do what he did.
 
Chop said:
Helping a slow cane-using elderly person across the street when he's about to get hit by a car otherwise. Is that ethics or morality? Both?
Click to expand...
If helping senior citizens is ethically observed in your society it is both. My morality says honor your father and mother.
 
mchammer said:
if the loyalists won, Arnold would have been a hero.
Click to expand...
Yep. I realize this. So it actually becomes rather tough to argue against "might makes right" and Nietzsche. I sure don't want to live in a world governed by Nietzschean thought, but at debate, they bring a strong hand to the card game.
 
mchammer said:
Edit - I meant Arnold!
Click to expand...
Ok ok. You blew up an atomic bomb in my head on that one.

I have to be very careful to not draw lightning bolts, but there's at least an argument that Judas was essential to Christ being able to fulfill his mission. And some translations say Jesus told Judas (paraphrazed) 'Go ahead, do as you must.' Predestined for this moment? Required to get the wheels in motion for the death and Resurrection? The Gnostics (whom the Orthodox of the faith --St Paul, St James, St. Gregory the Great, and many others--rejected and soundly defeated) took ideas like this and ran with them, turning Judas into a sort of good guy. I reject this analysis, but if you go down rabbit trails, you catch rabbits.
 
Society faces problems in the realms of morality and ethics when large % of people no longer agree on what is right and what is wrong.
 
bystander said:
I think ethics is a secular world for morals.
Click to expand...
That could be it.

Without a Deity and Religion, there is no basis or foundation for objective morality (and maybe no basis or foundation for objective reality). So people just create their own, building it on a shaky foundation of shifting sands.

Many resist bringing G_d or religion into it, because then a power on a completely higher plane than themselves can adjudge that something in the way a person lives his life is wrong.

People don't like to be told they're doing wrong.
 
Not technically lying, but still deceiving or withholding important information.

Is that unethical?

Immoral?





1736783443221.png
 
Chop said:
Not technically lying, but still deceiving or withholding important information.

Is that unethical?

Immoral?





1736783443221.png
Click to expand...

I believe the true level of morality and ethics is absolute truth. No dodging. Providing information that is important to others even if it isn't in your best interest. Of course, that's a very high standard. Can't say I'm batting 1000 on that one over the years.
 
Man 1: Woman 1 drove too fast and couldn't swerve in time, so she hit my trash can.

Woman 2: That's your truth. Her truth is that she was driving a normal speed but your trash can was too far out onto the street.

Man 1: There is no "my truth" or "her truth". There is just THE truth.

Man 2: You're talking about perceptions and opinions. Truth has little to do with that.

Child 1: Man 1 is assuming objective reality.

Mom of Child 1: Shut up and go watch some Sponge Bob Squarepants.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Recent Threads

Prediction Results Threads

Back
Top