Electric cars and gas prices: check this out!

Believe it or not, I make better pizzas than that at the Frisco ballpark. Earlier this year, I set the unofficial Frisco ballpark record when I put 120 slices of pepperoni on a pizza.

All you could see was pepperoni.

Since then I have backed off the 100+ amounts because I'm not putting pepperoni on the edge. The boss wanted to see the crust, and not just see the pepperonis on the edge of the pizza. I'm down to about 85 slices on a pizza now.

I understand from a friend that the big pizza chains restrict their pepperoni slices to 75 ish on a large.

So, come on out to the Frsico ballpark, pay 6$ for a slice of pizza that will hopefully have about 13+ or so slices of pepperoni.

Sorry, I couldn't resist, after seeing the picture of the pizza.
 
The CBO calculations do not calculate the cost, in both money and blood, of maintaining our existing middle east oil pipeline.

We've already fought one war for it and maybe two. Not to mention the cost of maintaining roads, huge pipe networks etc.. so that fuel tankers etc... can pass down them.


Not to mention the fact that the extraction, production, and transportation of oil is a nasty, smelly business that befouls the planet and no doubt causes sickness and injury to those who live in regions where it is produced. Having been to hundreds of such places ---- from pumpjacks to rigs to SWDs to fracking sites ----- I can tell you that it's not pretty and, in fact, at times pretty nasty. How much will the costs of cleaning up these sites and the cost of medical care for those who live along the Texas coast in the shadows of the refineries add up to?
 
I just put 10,000 miles on my Leaf this morning. I looked at the CBO report and have a few comments. My first comment is that buying a car is not strictly a dollars and cents proposition. I am looking at an Altima and like a certain model. My daughter wants leather seats because it is likely to be her car in three or four years. They are $3,000 more (because of the package). This is not worth it to me, but the package also comes with the Bose stereo which is worth it to me. My point is that far more than just "cost" goes into buying a car. If cost was all that matters, BMW and Mercedes would be out of business tomorrow let alone Jaguar or Range Rover.

I also think the electricity price is too high. I pay 8 cents a KwH and in many places with night charging you can pay even less. I also think the only real comparison is between a 24 KV all electric car. In any event, I think the breakeven point is a bit closer but this is not really the point. My car generated about 1/6 the carbon that an equivalent car would have generated over that distance. How do you "value" this?
 
I agree with previous posters that economics is not the only factor is deciding what to drive. My highest priority is safety.

What happens when the suburban runs the red light and T-bones you? I want to be ready for worst case scenario, so I avoid the little gas saver cars as much as possible and refuse to buy one.

I started with an econobox and may go back if my priorities change. But bigger is safer. No one should kid themselves on that. If you don't believe me, ask the ER professionals.
 
Ironic that you use the word Pavlovian.

Any time on energy. We could start with your ridiculous post above if you'd like.
 
The car has a top speed of about 95. I suppose I should have said that I just went over 10,000 miles on the odometer.

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These types of cars are fine for driving short distances in the city, but are crap for long road trips, hauling anything, plus there is the safety factor too....they just look like they will get squashed in an accident.

I want a bigger truck/suv that I can haul around the dog, kids, a few bikes, and a boat. Where is the gas savings machine for that?
 
Still waiting, BI. I know you are busy denigrating Romney supporters while simultaneously extolling your libertarian virtues and claiming Obama ain't all that bad, but know that I am waiting.
 
As some have already remarked. Most cars purchased are not purchased strictly on utilitty value. Most have a significant emotional value as part of the caluculation. virtually every sports car, mercedes, jaguar, dually, jeep etc have a significant emotional value to them. either you want to say "I'm fast and sexy" or "I'm rugged and tough" or "I'm a wealthy SOB".

what's wrong with someone wanting to say "I'm an early adopter" or "I care about the planet" yada, yada.

A regular honda fit and hybrid honda fit don't 'say' the same thing. and an 'all E' vehicle says even more.

As for striclty dollars & cents utility comparisons most of the analyses don't account for much innovation or improvement, which comes in fits and spurts for most industries. Is it a gamble of sorts that EVs will get better & cheaper....YES.

but IMO, it is an even bigger gamble that we will be able to become "Energy independent" without EVs. We will continue to be at the mercy of the world oil market and we will continue to make some of the worst SOBs in the world rich. And in so doing, give these jokers clout way out of proportion to their brains or abilities... other than pulling oil out of the ground.
 
Agree completely that folks make decisions on cars for lots of different reasons. All this study showed is that one of the things EVs marketed themselves on was being cheaper in the long run and it is not really true. Just one aspect, but a big one as cost factors into car purchasing for 95% of the world.

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