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Chop said:
Fort Worth ISD substitute teacher urges ICE to investigate her campus for illegal aliens. FWISD puts that teacher under investigation and removes her from the classroom.




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Local elected leaders express support for teacher who urged ICE to visit school

Local Republican elected officials express support for Fort Worth substitute teacher who urged ICE to come to Northside High School.
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“We are aware of a recent social media post referencing North Side High School, which was allegedly made by a substitute teacher and has caused concern among our Fort Worth ISD community,” the statement reads.

The alleged post was made on X in a response to ICE’s account on the platform on Jan. 23, NBC 5 reported.

“Y’all should come to Fort Worth, TX to Northside High School. I have many students who don’t even speak English, and they are in 10th-11th grade. They have to communicate through their iPhone translator with me. The @USEDGOV should totally overhaul our school system in Texas,” the post reportedly said. "
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This is a huge problem in schools. I would suggest that even if an immigrant child is legal, they should be held back in grade unless/until they can speak and write english at grade level. A child that can't communicate in english with their teacher takes 4 to 5 times as much energy and attention to teach. The teacher, the system and the child are all better off if the child first learns english and then advances to the next grade. You can continue to give the child automated (khan academy) type lessons in other material but this child should spend 4-5 hours a day on basic english skills until they are at grade level.
 
BOSD,

There are massive logistical problems which I never considered until I became close friends with an ESL teacher who teaches in a public HS in suburban Houston. She is of Mexican descent, being the third generation of her family born in Houston, graduated from public HS, has a BA in education and an MBA in Business.

She has 5-6 classes a day, but has not had a Mexican in any of her classes in over a decade. I do not know exact numbers, but a typical class will have kids from 5-6 different Central & South American countries, each with it's own dialect of Spanish. Throw in some from Africa and the Middle East (particularly Afghanistan) and I don't know how she gets anything done.
 
SabreHorn said:
BOSD,

There are massive logistical problems which I never considered until I became close friends with an ESL teacher who teaches in a public HS in suburban Houston. She is of Mexican descent, being the third generation of her family born in Houston, graduated from public HS, has a BA in education and an MBA in Business.

She has 5-6 classes a day, but has not had a Mexican in any of her classes in over a decade. I do not know exact numbers, but a typical class will have kids from 5-6 different Central & South American countries, each with it's own dialect of Spanish. Throw in some from Africa and the Middle East (particularly Afghanistan) and I don't know how she gets anything done.
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I think we are agreeing, but mom was an ESL teacher as well. The challenge is not only that they take a lot of extra time to teach. That would be bad enough, but what also happens is that the kids become behavioral problems because they are always behind their peers, and many give up because they feel dumb. This obviously compounds the problem. And because we don't deal with their lack of english proficiency their first year in US schools, we create the same issue for the teachers that receive that kid next year when they get promoted for the sake of political correctness or schools keeping their average up.
 
We need thousands of people across the US doing this sort of thing in schools all over - not just on this issue but on many.

 
The issue of non English speaking students is diverse not just Texas or border states. It’s terrible in Utah of all places, and in Tenn that I know about. It makes for a very difficult classroom.
 
Significant news on the school choice front. Trump's Executive order:

"CBS listed several aspects of the order, including directing Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth to submit a plan for how military families can use available funds to send their children to schools they choose.

It also directs the Department of Education to prioritize school choice with grant programs and instructs the Department of Human Services to help states determine how federal block grants can be used for faith-based schools."

 
"CBS stated this upcoming report will show 40 percent of fourth-graders aren't meeting reading levels.

This is the highest percentage ever reported, according to CBS, while fourth-graders and eighth-graders are becoming less proficient in reading.

A massive 70 percent of eighth-graders were not proficient in reading and even more, 72 percent, were not proficient in math, according to CBS."

At this rate, before too long, the Central African Republic will surpass us in primary and secondary education...
 

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K-12 schooling​

Trump’s executive order on “Ending Radical Indoctrination in K-12 Schooling” would prohibit federal funding for schools that include what the administration describes as “gender ideology and critical race theory in the classroom.”

The order is expected to say the attorney general will work with state and local legal officials to “file actions against teachers and school officials who sexually exploit minors or practice medicine without a license through ‘social transition’ practices,” according to the White House.


The order will also reinstate the 1776 Commission that Trump created during his first term in office to promote patriotic education and counter lessons that he says divide Americans on race and slavery.'
 
Trump to fight anti-Semitism in schools.

"The president’s coming executive order to combat antisemitism would take on the rise in antisemitic incidents on campuses following the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by Hamas.

The order would charge the Justice Department and attorney general with taking “immediate action” to prosecute antisemitic crimes like vandalism and intimidation as well as investigate “anti-Jewish racism in leftist, anti-American colleges and universities.” Additionally, the White House is promising to deport and revoke the student visas of those deemed sympathetic to Hamas."

 
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I would venture a guess that most of the faculty of universities in Near-Eastern studies (or however that field is called) do NOT take a fair view of Israel or Jews in general.
 
nashhorn said:
Uh oh, I’m looking at some of this with a lingering sense of potential overplay.
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You mean punishing non-crimes as crimes and spying on citizens? Yeah. If the government has to do this, they need to do it with socialists and Keynesians. It will get many of the same people but for the right reasons.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
Deporting checkered scarf wearing, Israel hating "students" is an awesome first step.
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Include the faculty infiltration at our beloved University back in 88 & 89. A fact that our administration was too ******* stupid to know anything about. I think very lowly of anything and anybody in DC, but having our government infiltrate our faculty without our administration ever knowing anything was going on and preventing "911 practice" at The University is something I'll always be thankful for.

Make no mistake about it, that was run out of Quantico, and no one in Travis County ever knew what was happening and still doesn't. This thing made the "transcript scandal" of the 70s look like stealing a candy bar and eating it while shopping at HEB.
 
My son is taking IT courses in college and has repeatedly over the last 2 years talked about how challenging it is learning from people that don't speak English well. Our universities are hiring professors who can't teach. Not because they don't know the material but because they can't actually convey the material to their students. They often speak English but with poor grammar and very heavy accents to the point that students can't understand what they are saying. The problem is not unknown either. My S-I-L is an administrator at a university and she indicates they get this feedback all the time from students, but the departments keep hiring them because they are more interested in publishing stats and fear of not being politically correct.
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
My son is taking IT courses in college and has repeatedly over the last 2 years talked about how challenging it is learning from people that don't speak English well. Our universities are hiring professors who can't teach. Not because they don't know the material but because they can't actually convey the material to their students. They often speak English but with poor grammar and very heavy accents to the point that students can't understand what they are saying. The problem is not unknown either. My S-I-L is an administrator at a university and she indicates they get this feedback all the time from students, but the departments keep hiring them because they are more interested in publishing stats and fear of not being politically correct.
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And that problem isn't new. My Statistics professor at UTD in the late '90s was Korean and almost completely incomprehensible. He was a good guy and otherwise a good professor. Very high energy and animated, and what he wrote on the board made good sense. I did feel like I learned plenty from him. However, nobody in that classroom had any idea what the hell was coming out of his mouth.
 
Way back in the dark ages, I took freshman Physics (the one that started with a 6 not the one that started with an 8). It was in the lecture hall in the Physics Building - about 250 people. Professor was about 5'4" tall, Asian, always talked facing the blackboard while writing illegibly. Couldn't hear or understand him. First Tuesday there were 225 students, Thursday there were about 125; I have no idea how many the second week because I was outa there.
 
Mr. Deez said:
And that problem isn't new. My Statistics professor at UTD in the late '90s was Korean and almost completely incomprehensible. He was a good guy and otherwise a good professor. Very high energy and animated, and what he wrote on the board made good sense. I did feel like I learned plenty from him. However, nobody in that classroom had any idea what the hell was coming out of his mouth.
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My UTD Masters Capstone class in 1988 featured a part-time non-English as a first language professor who was very smart but could not deliver any type of lecture. Unlike Sabre's experience, he did write at least the subject he was trying to get across on the board.

My real issue was his real job was in the marketing department of the same company where I worked. After that class, I had my degree. Three months later we were struggling in Southeast Asia and one day I suggested to our COO that he should move the professor want-a-be back home. He did and the guy straightened the mess out. A double win - a win for the company and a win for all UTD Masters students.
 
Monahorns said:
College profs must love modern day slavery.
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And even the tenured profs aren't the ones making out like bandits. The admin are getting $$$ most places, and the physical plants (especially the interiors of buildings) at many colleges are getting pretty lavish and luxurious by traditional college standards.
 
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