Dumb Political Correctness

bystander said:
I think the self-image of an artist is to be a counter-weight to all the evils of capitalism and power. They don't necessarily have to provide a solution. Only a voice or a conscience.
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Problem is that's basically how a lot of young activists and protesters approach it as well. They're the "voice crying in the wilderness." So eventually some of them make it into Congress, and now they basically have nothing but noise and bumper sticker slogans to build on.
 
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I agree with the amoral comment. As ProdigalHorn said, it just is... and the wild beast comment is true to if it was unleashed as laissez faire, meaning no braking mechanism to it's impact on the environment and abuses such as trust formation.
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Markets are amoral, but they are also self correcting. Laissez faire was actually the policy in place when some of the most accelerated growth and development happened. Some of the slow economic growth around the world today is due to the end of laissez faire and start of government regulation and control through the 20th century.

In general people need to read more Hazlitt, Hayek, Rothbard, Mises.
 
Deez,
Full disclosure, I don't like U2. I think they're one of the most overrated and over-celebrated bands of all time. I don't think Bono is particularly talented. However, for a popular music artist (where the bar is set very low), he is pretty conscientious and intelligent. Most artists who spout their mouths off are much dumber and more idiotic. Just the fact that Bono was in a position to influence Bush says a lot about him.
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Maybe you have already listened to them but the first 3 albums are very very good. War in particular is one of the best overall albums I have heard. Their 4th album is pretty good, but they started on a bit of a pretentious road from there.

Maybe that's not your taste, but those first 3 are of a different character. Probably because they were all pursuing a faithful Christian life at the time.
 
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Well, my feeling on U2 is that they are one of the most spectacular live acts in rock history. I think the Red Rocks show was incredible. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.
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Great concert! Really like that version of Black Cat.
 
Monahorns said:
Deez,


Maybe you have already listened to them but the first 3 albums are very very good. War in particular is one of the best overall albums I have heard. Their 4th album is pretty good, but they started on a bit of a pretentious road from there.

Maybe that's not your taste, but those first 3 are of a different character. Probably because they were all pursuing a faithful Christian life at the time.
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I'm not saying they suck or even that I don't like some of their songs. However, they're one of the biggest bands of all time - very successful for almost 40 years. They're not garbage, but their talent and creativity just don't match the grandeur. They're a Camaro, not a Ferrari, but they're often treated as a Ferrari. They're not even the worst example. That distinction goes to Bruce Springsteen. He's a Yugo.
 
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The whole series of Tucker is pretty good
This stream of twitter outtakes edits the noise out, so is more time efficient
I feel like in the second half of the bottom clip here, he is talking directly to me and my crew on this forum (but maybe some of you disagree? lol)

 
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Mr. Deez said:
I'm not saying they suck or even that I don't like some of their songs. However, they're one of the biggest bands of all time - very successful for almost 40 years. They're not garbage, but their talent and creativity just don't match the grandeur. They're a Camaro, not a Ferrari, but they're often treated as a Ferrari. They're not even the worst example. That distinction goes to Bruce Springsteen. He's a Yugo.
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I agree with @Monahorns on the first three albums but I would add Wide Awake In America, an EP featuring Bad and A Sort of Homecoming. That EP means a lot to me as do the first three albums. Maybe there is the emotional attachment from the times of my life that elevate them in my mind. As previously mentioned, the live concert in Red Rocks probably blew them up and it's just the power of four young men in the mist that got to me.

Thank you for your Springsteen comments. My roommate in college LOVED HIM (back in the late 70's (before Born in the USA). It drove me up a wall. I used to call him, "Bruce Bring Me Down Steen." I get the lyrics are inventive but he is over the top.
 
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Now you got me going. Bruce is definitely one of those not always right but never in doubt kind of lyricists. He evolved dramatically when it came to love. Early on it was Rosalita and Wendy (in Born to Run).. "C'mon Wendy, a chance like us, baby we were born to run." Fearless and enthusiastic; pumping up his girl so she had no chance for anything except take his hand an run through the fields with her father's shotgun blasting behind them.

Then life happens and he eases into Tunnel of Love, "You and me and all this stuff we're so scared of." Another good line in this is "He takes the money from my hand while his eyes take a walk all over you." Then further deeper into the album there's a song called One Step Up:

"We've given each other some hard lessons lately
But we ain't learnin'"

He got burned.

You're probably wondering about me analyzing something I don't like, well, as I said, some of the lyrics are inventive and I was listening to the old man as he evolved over time into the cynicism we have to live with.
 
Mr. Deez said:
That distinction goes to Bruce Springsteen. He's a Yugo.
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While I get annoyed with some of his social commentary, Springsteen has plenty of talent. You may not necessarily like him as a singer, but as a songwriter, and as a storyteller he's hard to match.

Watch his Netflix special of his Broadway show. You'll get more about why he's been successful.
 
Deez
I'm not saying they suck or even that I don't like some of their songs. However, they're one of the biggest bands of all time - very successful for almost 40 years. They're not garbage, but their talent and creativity just don't match the grandeur. They're a Camaro, not a Ferrari, but they're often treated as a Ferrari.
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I guess I am not asking you to treat U2 as a Ferrari. I am saying their first 3 albums are Ferraris. Have you listened to them? Do you agree or disagree? Any opinion is fine, just curious.
 
JF, Tucker speaks some truth there but he completely misunderstands Libertarianism. There are some pot heads. But that completely ignores the founding documents, the first 100 years of the nation, and economics.

Tucker would benefit from ignoring Reason.com and reading Rockwell and Mises.
 
Tucker, "the system" you are talking about is messed up. "The system" isn't the market though. It is fascism in America. That is why you have wage and economic stagnation. America is a fascist country not a capitalist country, anymore. The government runs banking, healthcare, higher education, real estate, and utilities.

Now name the biggest problems with our economy. Do you see any pattern? Now they are going after online business, hence deplatforming.
 
Monahorns said:
Deez


I guess I am not asking you to treat U2 as a Ferrari. I am saying their first 3 albums are Ferraris. Have you listened to them? Do you agree or disagree? Any opinion is fine, just curious.
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Mon and @bystander , I was born in 1976, so my overall impression of U2 isn't going to be based on their first three albums. I was in second grade when War came out. It's basically going to be from approximately 1984 on, which wouldn't include the first three albums but the ten or so since then. I have listened to some of what's on the first three albums but certainly not all of it. What I have heard is pretty good music, but I wouldn't say it blows me away. If you have any particular tracks in mind, I'm happy to listen to them. What would you say are the "Ferrari tracks?"
 
ProdigalHorn said:
While I get annoyed with some of his social commentary, Springsteen has plenty of talent. You may not necessarily like him as a singer, but as a songwriter, and as a storyteller he's hard to match.

Watch his Netflix special of his Broadway show. You'll get more about why he's been successful.
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Every time I rip on Springsteen, people defend him by bringing up his lyrics. If you're a fan of his subject matter, I'm sure he's fine. To me, you have to be able to do more than write lyrics to justify being a great musical artist. After all, this is music, not poetry. You have to be able to sing and/or play an instrument with great skill. Springsteen isn't anything special on any instrument and is an offensively bad singer. I would probably judge him less harshly if he only wrote songs for more capable musicians.
 
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