Don't worry Holder, Obama's got your back

I think the problem with "Fasat and Furious" was not so much in the intent as in the execution. Politicians are covering their rear and covering for one another. Gosh I've never imagined that could ever happen again.

I'm sorry I'm so late in my defense of Obama but I'm feeling great ambivalance about the upcoming elections. If I believed Romney would keep all his campaign promises I'd cheerfully vote for him, send money and expect to have for sure the best president since Lincoln, maybe ever. Plus, there's part of me that admires a Republican who can win in Massachusetts and govern from the center. Of course -- he's been pretty clear prior to "etch a sketch" time that's he's way more conservative these days. It's hard to get a good read, but at one point or another Romney has espoused political positions in perfect alignment with my own.
 
Whatever AND rolling eyes? Close it down -- we have a winner.

I actually agree with your follow up statement about the situational useage and not the frequency. BUT something also tells me you'd be the first in line to say, "But, but, Clinton used it 14 times!!"

I think you actually believe in your heart of hearts that Clinton and Obama used it for selfishness and personal gain --- but GWB used it only for the protection of the homeland.
 
Is that all you have Chango?
Bash a poster and compare to Bush?
Typical. When you can't defend Obama , deflect.

Very common tactic as there is no defending this ametuer.
 
Who says I have to defend Obama? I don't support him or Holder on this issue.

Nothing personal against Leftwith, he is a big boy and his posting history speaks for itself. My issue is with anyone who believes that 'their side' is always right and good and honorable and the other side is evil and selfish.
 
How exactly did BO admin expect to track weaspons IN mexico?
According to one of the ATF whistleblowers there were no tracking devices ( which btw proved to not work under Bush's wide receiver program which is why it was stopped)?

so How did BOadmin think it could track weapons in mexico?
Unlike Wide Receiver where the Bush admin did alert the mexican gov't the BO admin never told the mexican gov't
so BOadmin sent thousands of weapons into Mexico with no way to track them and without even alerting the Mexican gov't( you know the Gov't BO promised to work closely with)


Now the Bo admin has been caught in lies and is trying to blame it on Bush.
Open the records and let transparency( remember who used that word so much ) shine on the operation
if is shows it was Bush's fault so be it, at least we will know who authorized this debacle
 
Clinton used it, Bush used it and they had reasons right or wrong. I'm not concerned with that as much as the hypocrisy of this president.

In 2007 Obama thought this was a disgusting tactic.
"There‘s been a tendency on the part of this administration to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taken place. I think the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. I think the American people deserve to know what was going on."

I agreed with him then and agree now that the American people deserve to know what is going on. Too bad the President's views have changed since he now hides behind the same protection he detested shortly before being elected.
 
The only President in recent memory who has truly shown integrity on the issue of executive privilege was Gerald Ford. After he pardoned Nixon, the House Judiciary Committee issued inquiries to the White House to ask about the pardon. He could have claimed executive privilege and blown them off.

Not only did he not claim privilege, he voluntarily waived privilege and testified under oath before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Criminal Justice, where he explained his rationale and answered the committee's questions openly and with candor. Frankly, it was a ballsy move.
 
More and more I'm finding the theory less crazy that the administration never intended to track the weapons, and that they were in fact designed to promote the idea that free flow of arms across the border requires tighter gun laws. Is that paranoid? Definitely - but the alternative seems to be complete and total stupidity. They had no means of tracking these weapons - did they really think they'd be able to accomplish that? Or was "tracking" meant to be exactly what happened, which was that eventually they'll turn up at a crime scene and we can say that this or that gang that we believe perpetrated the act was using these guns. And even then, what does that accomplish?

This whole thing looks bad, and no wonder that the White House doesn't want to give up documents. Regardless, the administration owes an explanation of who cleared this, what their thought process was, how they expected this to work and what they believed they would accomplish.
 
Unless something has changed since early Spring, Holder told House investigators that he has not disciplined any officials for their involvement in Operation Fast and Furious. He did however admit that some officials have been reassigned. (man that's gotta hurt)

I would like to believe that the Attorney General of this nation did not know about this program, but no matter who was involved and how high up it went, it is incredible that not one person was fired over this mess. Hopefully someone can find an article I missed that would prove me wrong.

Please tell me the life of a US citizen, mot to mention scores of Mexicans, is a big enough error to cost someone their job.
 
PH- They have websites that sell tinfoil hats I can direct you to.
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We all know that whatever means of tracking these guns the FBI was using failed monumentally. It's also possible that the DOJ doesn't want these means exposed (ie. surveillance methods, technology, etc.).

I have followed this FAF ordeal little and believe in transparency. Like I said earlier, someone should be held accountable for this.

Reading this thread makes me wonder why some of our esteemed posters on the right weren't screamed loudly about Clinton invoking EP during the Lewinsky Affair, were silent when Bush did so in the follow-up to the investigation on failed intelligence leading to the Iraq War, now suddenly think THIS is important. Heck, Horn6721 seems to be concerned about an American death and more Mexican deaths. I must have missed his concern for thousands of American soldier and 10's of thousands of Iraqi deaths.

It's pure partisan ********. Posters on the left are equally as guilty.
 
What a vile uncalled for strawman from Husker
but this is typical of his/her BS.

clearly this iposter knows he has nothing so he goes to a strawman
hey you forgot I probably hate puppies and Jesus.
 
If I could sum up why I think Obama has been a failure in a few words, they'd be "too much like Bush."

- Deficit spending and more deficit spending
- Ongoing wildly expensive wars with no clear objective
- Guantanamo open for business
- Dirty and corrupt ******** hiding behind executive privilege
- Culture of corruption continues in D.C., with the corporations free to hold the legislative pen (for a small donation to my re-election fund, of course)

And yes, I know the president doesn't write the laws, but he can certainly drive policy and focus the public's attention where it ought to be directed.

IMO, he's a hell of a lot more like W than either party wants to admit.
 
Yeah Bush really cut loose to show his true liberal side those last two years in office. You remember, when the Dems controlled congress, and Barney fatass Franks thought everyone was entitled to a new house. Then Senator BO was voting right along with Fatass while Bush pleaded for change.

Bush and Obama even look alike................... in the dark..................... where you people reside.
 
It is becoming a very tired cliche that Obama and Bush are the same. They are not remotely close and anyone who asserts this is the case is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. As stated their rhetoric is different, but their policies are radically different. While they may both have spent a lot of money, this doesn't come close to meaning they're the same.
 
Not going to accept a burden of proof to demonstrate differences in policies - which are obvious and glaring - just because the new fad on message boards these days is to use all means necessary to demonstrate how similar Dems and Pubs are in an effort to have a fresh, contrarian view.
 
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