Damn UT

Just a closure - went with Granddaughter for a visit to Johns Hopkins - she loves it. Will be a Blue Jay come Fall Semester. Getting into the Engineering program and couldn't be more excited. Kinda funny cause she said she always felt like her Nashville HS (Hume Fog) was a bunch of Nerds - cool but Nerds - and now she is moving up the ladder.
We are pretty happy - no we are excited for her - such a great opportunity for a sweet Tennessee girl. Wanted a Longhorn but couldn't be more proud. Just wish it wasn't so far away.
Hookem
 
Our daughter went to TCU, despite a wealth of ties to UT. However, UT wasn't for her, and her experience at TCU was a great one. And interestingly enough, the offspring of several of our friends (all with a wealth of ties to UT) went to TCU about the same time.

These things usually work out for the best, and if you don't have kids in college already you'll find that a large part of a college education is still what you make of it - what you get out of it is clearly tied to what you put into it.
 
Ha, good point Nota. Right now Grandmama and I are in Houston, Granddaughter still in Nashville where it is closer to Baltimore. And facts are after this football season we probably move back to Tenn since my plans are to retire June 30 this year.
What a year 2013 is slated to be for this family; I retire in June, Granddaughter gets into Johns Hopkins and youngest son getting married in Dallas this Sept, last of our five. Getting old may suck (and it does) but you sure witness some amazing and rewarding times! Life is good.
Hooked
 
Nash, Just went through the same thing with my son. He had the grades, test scores, class president two years, selected for numerous awards, leadership committees, great references, etc. They talk leadership is what they are looking for on visitation day if not automatic qualifier.... B.S.

We are at a 5A school in DFW area where 70% of top 10 per cent are Asia / India. (The irony is he actually teaches at an after school tutorial school where 80% of students are Asia / Indian)

He could have done the CAPS (my older son did) but he wants 4 years at same school.

I was dumbfounded and really got angry as I saw all the people that did get in.... Congratulations and I take nothing away from them..

I expressed my frustration to a few T-exes and they all had the same bad feeling. Also, No more money, no more support.

The feeling basically is that Powers is saying FU Texas-exes for supporting us all these years, it means nothing.

Anyway, my kid is off to a SEC school like thousands of other Texas kids (our visitation class was 50% Texans), with great scholarships in tow.

Side Note: With 18 per cent of TX undergraduates being Asian Americans (3.8% population) it looks like this diversity thing is kinda a little skewed on the "Powers" that be.
 
Two step solution for your son:

Watch this:
The Link

Apply this:
The Link

Quota Bill Powers himself would come to your house for a recruiting visit, much like football coaches do. Unlike them, Powers wouldn't have to worry about what was happening to his car while he was inside talking to you.

Or you could fake an Indian background, and get on the quota bus that way. It worked for the 1/128 cigar store Indian Lizzy Warren, aka Squaw Lie a Lot. Say you come from a family of high cheekbones.

If you son still wants to go to Texas, just have him transfer in for his Junior year, into major sequence classes. By then, all the quota kids have flunked out. The quota only gets them into Texas, it doesn’t quota their grades too. So plenty of room for Juniors.
 
Hey John B, were you a bit surprised at just how angry you were? I was, and it still ticks me off when I think about it, but as I said we are totally supportive of the Johns Hopkins opportunity and overwhelmingly proud of what she has done.
Now her real test, and for me her own life, begins. Guess Grandma and I will learn the BWI airport really well over the next 4 years.
 
My son scored 32 of 36 on his ACT (which I believe puts his score in the top 4% of test takers) and he was denied admission to UT. However, he received nominations from Senator Cornyn and Congressman McCaul to the U.S. Naval Academy and the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy from which he graduates next month with an engineering degree. My daughter was also denied admission to U.T. but A&M gladly accepted her, so now I have to put up with that; but she has a great job and she reminds me daily of her Aggie devotion. I have discontinued my donations to U.T. as a result and have changed my will to delete any donations to U.T. upon my passing.
 
Wow, what a revealing thread this has turned into. 32 is what my granddaughter got on her test too. And it still pains me to admit my youngest son knew he couldn't get into UT so he went to a&m. I am reminded of that every day and now that we are so impressive on the gridiron, twice on Sunday!
But it all works out for the best, sounds like it for you son and we are convinced same for our granddaughter. No doubt this is my last year with season tickets for the Horns, from now on our spare change will be for trips to Baltimore - Lacrosse anyone?
 
Two points/facts:

1. ACT is a joke *** easy exam and doesn't get the pull that the SAT does and UT "likes" SAT more than the ACT.

2. It is much harder for anybody of "India decent" to get into college than a white person. Generally, Asians get ****** when it comes to college admissions in the US. Asians, in general, and South Asians, in particular, are over-represented. They do not get the minority "advantage" at all when it comes to admissions.

I know people who sit on adcoms and I tell you that if admissions were truly blind, all the Ivys and top 10 schools outside of the Ivys will be over 60% Asian.
 
I was not aware that if you graduated UT you were guaranteed your offspring and relatives would get to go automatically. Further that if you supported the school it was out of respect, allegiance and to support the school, not with strings attached.

I understand the hurt or sadness some may have but to have a hissy fit and imho, overreact by stopping donations to your alma mater is childish. If it's financial reasons, understandable. If not, well, yeah.
 
Most of the problems are with the legislature- they are the ones who think "all" should go to college and basically it's an entitlement - therefore as with any such program hard working individuals get left out - some high schools have dropped their class ranking except for the top 10%- which has helped some students quite a bit - every application should be given a number with their academic credentials and that's all - then select the best candidates
 
I know if I was in a similar situation as those people, I'd just not want my money going to a school that didn't want my kids in based on their skin color.

A school that said “We're going to accept people with less accomplishments that you, because we covert their race, and we have enough of your kind here anyway”.

They'd be silly not to cut off said racist school.

It's too bad for them their kids aren't applying next year. For, to paraphrase an under appreciated movie, Sharky's Machine, UT's racist quotas are like a big stinking turd at the bottom of the toilet bowl, and the Supreme Court has their hand on the chain.

Not that I have much hope that will be the end of it. UT's infatuation with quotas was already slapped down once in the 90's with the Hopwood decision, and like the stupid Knight in Monty Python, they hobbled back, missing two legs and an arm. I'm sure they'll say “just a flesh wound”, and brain storm on how else they can not admit the smartest and hardest working students.

So yeah, I can see why the parents in question aren’t going to send Texas a dime.
 
Instead of complaining about the race issue in the admissions process, why not just recognize that your kid did not earn the grades necessary to automatically qualify? I'm white, and I didn't get in. I worked, had extracurriculars, but I don't blame UT or their admissions process. I blame myself for not making the grades.
 
Very good point. It's easier to be butt hurt for false reasons and not take accountability. The well-rounded part of the education away from just books escapes many as they get through and exit college.
 
While UT is a fine school, I would just be thankful if my child/grandchild whatever was passionate enough to further their life at a school of good quality and I was able to support them in that.

There are a lot of posts about "their kid" who didn't get to go exactly where they wanted to go, but in reality there are a lot of kids who grow up in difficult homes, who never have that opportunity because of the (family) situation they were born. Always be thankful for your opportunities.

I actually got accepted into UT, twice. In high school and after I finished a 3 year stint in the army. (Army then paid for college, see above on kids who get no support) However, I chose UT-Arlington because when I spent a summer at UT during high school. (I was a science nerd), and on my visit the classrooms were well massive. At UTA I really good relationships with my chem professors all 4 years, and they pushed very hard and expected a lot. It still serves me well today, even though it wouldn't be considered a top tier university.
 
False premise. Work harder? Study more? At a competitive high school, sometimes that is not enough. If you are in the top 8.5% at Alamo Heights high school, it is not because you didn't try hard enough.
All high schools, competitive, crappy, minority, underutilized, poverty, rural, urban etc, have their bite of the apple for the first 75% of the admitting class.
Where UT is morally corrupt is the admissions of the other 25%. This is where Powers allows a holistic admissions process that screws the kids of UT alumni, kids of Asians and other non minority kids that are better qualified candidates than the "entitled kids of color, language spoken at home, single parent home and comparison SAT/ACT test at their crappy school".
I have yet to meet anyone that has had their kid denied admission that thought their kid deserved special treatment in the admission process. Just the opposite, they wanted and should have recieved equal treatment in admissions. Not the racist corrupt system that is in place.
Even more damning are programs such as Longhorn Scholars that have been put in place to give college credit to unqualified admits by teaching remedial eighth grade courses, while qualified applicants are denied admission.
Study harder?? Entitled??
The amazing part is that this scenario plays out every year, because no one thinks it going to happen to their kid,but it does. Not going to change until the money is cut off or an advocacy group of alumni is formed to address the problem.
 
Actually, it will change, any day now before the summer. For the Supreme Court is about ready to flush UT's racist polices down the crapper, once again.

Say goodbye to the 25% quota system Texas. Students will actually be admitted based on merit, not skin color. Amazing concept, but once the quota lovers can't seem to accept.
 
I don't think the outcome of Fisher v. UT will affect application of the top percentage rule, since that's not the issue before the court (this was a law school admissions case, as I recall) - only how those not admitted under that rule are selected.

I could be wrong.
 
I fail to see how some of the cited posters' grandchildren and children who had top notch grades and ACT scores "failed to make the grade" to be admitted to UT. The fact of the matter is UT's admissions policy is not merit based, but in fact is discriminatory.

There are many colleges and universities all over the county with superior academics to UT admitting these so called "students who did not make the grade".
 
"If they aren't in the top 8% of their class, wouldn't that be considered not making the grades?"

I don't think so, because it is arbitrary. For instance a student could be at a less rigorous school and be in the top 8% with a 3.75, but another could be a straight A student and outside the top 8% because of the caliber of students at that particular HS. For instance my son is a JR at a very competitive HS. His class ranking as of the end of the fall semester was a 7.865%. His weighted GPA is a 4.28. Now he does make the 8% mark, but just barely. If he was ranked 1 spot lower in his class he would be 8.23%. I do not think an intelligible argument can be made that he is not making the grade. My humble 2 cents.
 
The percentage rule is a crock. It was cooked up after the Hopwood decsion.

UT had the chance to admit based on accomplishment and merit. Instead they said "how can we keep the same number of blacks and Hispanics coming into UT?"

Tell me, if the percentage system was so good, then we should have it for sports too. Forget subjective things like 40 times and height/weight. If you're the best player on your 1A school, we have a spot for you. If you're the second best player at a 5A school and run a 4.3 40, too bad. You should have been first in your class.

The rest of UT's system is even worse. The otheR 25% is picked on a hocus pocus subjective system to get more blacks and Hispanics in. Asians - we have enough of your kind here.

Thankfully, that part is what's circling the drain, awaiting a Supreme Court flushing.

What's left will be still bad, but at least better than it was.

Regardless, there's aways plenty of room at UT for Juniors, after the quota kids have flunked out.
 
The percentage rule is a crock. It was cooked up after the Hopwood decsion.

UT had the chance to admit based on accomplishment and merit. Instead they said "how can we keep the same number of blacks and Hispanics coming into UT?"

Tell me, if the percentage system was so good, then we should have it for sports too. Forget things like 40 times and height/weight. If you're the best player on your 1A school, run a 5.0 /40 as a wide out, we have a spot for you. If you're the second best player at a 5A school and run a 4.3 40, too bad. You should have been first in your class.

The rest of UT's system is even worse. The otherR 25% is picked on a hocus pocus subjective system to get more blacks and Hispanics in. Asians - we have enough of your kind here.

Thankfully, that part is what's circling the drain, awaiting a Supreme Court flushing.

What's left will be still bad, but at least better than it was.

Regardless, there's aways plenty of room at UT for Juniors, after the quota kids have flunked out.
 
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