Dallas Shooter Killed With a Bomb?!?

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First it was reported that the Dallas shooter had taken his own life. Now, it is being reported that a robotic device delivered a bomb which killed the shooter after he ceased negotiations and began shooting at police again.

Anybody ever heard of that being done before? I wonder what the legal ramifications are? I'm sure liberal lawyers are already on the phone to his family trying to get them to sue the City of Dallas using some far-flung rationale.

I can already hear #BlackLivesMatter activists screaming; "they wouldn't do that if he'd been a white guy"!
 
I listened on the radio to the Dallas Police Chief and he was emphatic that the PD used a bomb to blow up the shooter.

The guy was obviously armed and dangerous. Negotiations failed. The robot-delivered bomb worked as intended.

To me this looks like excellent application of advanced technology.
 
I do not like the idea or the police having suicide bomber robots, but this case was a strong example of their usefulnes. If you have an extremely dangerous man intent on killing people, this may be the safest way to take out the threat. Like a police officer's gun (or any gun), this is another tool that can save lives in the right hands or be abused in the wrong hands. It is up to the police to make sure that citizens do not abuse such tools and it is up to citizens to make sure that the police do not abuse such tools. Hopefully all parties can work together to accomplish this peacefully and within the law.

Some tools we keep out of the hands of citizens (Bazookas) and others out of the hands of police (unwarranted searches and seizures) due to the likelihood of abuse being too high. For now, as long at it is saved for rare situations like what just happened, I am content to let police keep this robotic tool.
 
This seems like the perfect application of such a device. Crazed psychopath that had already killed/wounded 12 police officers and 2 civilians with a stated intent to kill as many as possible. No sense in putting anyone else in harms way to remove the threat.

Clean- You're part of the problem. That level of hate for anyobdy that thinks different than you leaves little room for compromise. No problem will ever be solved if the only middle ground is smack dab where you stand.
 
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Seattle Husker said:
Clean- You're part of the problem. That level of hate for anyobdy that thinks different than you leaves little room for compromise. No problem will ever be solved if you the only middle ground is smack dab where you stand.
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Why don't you climb down off that liberal high horse you ride all the time and pull your head out of your ***, Husker.
 
Clean said:
I'm sure liberal lawyers are already on the phone to his family trying to get them to sue the City of Dallas using some far-flung rationale.
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You lost me. I'm tired of people like you being "Sure" of **** that never happens and making these wild *** accusations. Clean, you seem to be enjoying this situation more than a normal human being should.
 
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Count me as skepticle about expanding robotic bombs to the arsenal of police departments.

A gun is a tool of law enforcement. When used responsibly and with proper restraint, guns are a tool the police should have. Much of the recent turmoil however, has resulted because several officers have been shown not to use this lethal tool, a gun, responsibly.

So now a precedence has been set which gives the police authorization to use explosives as a tool of law enforcement. While it appears to have been effective and used properly in Dallas, if the police excessively misuse this tool as they've done with guns, it will only magnify the negative perception of excessive force.
 
As police forces militarize, their level of personal accountability decreases, which will lead to more of the tragic events in Dallas.
 
What were their choices? They had talked with this killer for hours. He continued to threaten and fire shots.
He cold bloodedly shot an office in the back and then walked up to the fallen cop and shot him 4 more times,
What should they have done? Accountability? You must not be in Dallas. This has affected every single policeman and all their families. Most of the city mourns and weeps as well.
But I can't wait to hear what YOU think they should have done that would have been more accountable.:whiteflag:
 
Horn6721 said:
What were their choices? They had talked with this killer for hours. He continued to threaten and fire shots.
He cold bloodedly shot an office in the back and then walked up to the fallen cop and shot him 4 more times,
What should they have done? Accountability? You must not be in Dallas. This has affected every single policeman and all their families. Most of the city mourns and weeps as well.
But I can't wait to hear what YOU think they should have done that would have been more accountable.:whiteflag:
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I don't know enough about the details to know if the shooter could have been taken alive without someone else getting shot. One would think that if a robot could send in an explosive, a robot could just as easily have exploded a tear gas canister.
 
iatrogenic said:
Huh?
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This incidence was a perfect example. By murdering (justifiably?) the shooter by remote control explosive, there doesn't appear to be any person responsible; no accountable individual. You would think a lawyer might demand to know who gave the order to blow the guy up and make an argument that the suspect was murdered. While such an argument isn't going to get much sympathy in this particular case, somewhere down the line law enforcement begins to resemble counterinsurgency operations when using such tactics. If that perception of the police emerges, anti-police groups and anarchists will simply employ more dangerous tactics of their own such as IEDs and the like which were used in Iraq. And this will place both the police and the general public in more danger than they are now when the violence is aimed specifically at the police.
 
I love the idea of an explosive to take the guy out. No reason to let it drag out and put more police in danger.
 
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Clean- You're part of the problem. That level of hate for anyobdy that thinks different than you leaves little room for compromise. No problem will ever be solved if the only middle ground is smack dab where you stand.
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SH ... there have been calls for this very thing. Even NPR has taken note.

So ... Clean wasn't so FAR OFF ... and we're only 3 days' removed from the tragedy.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...e-first-time-police-used-a-bomb-robot-to-kill
 
Our police chief (a black man) gave the order after hours of negotiation and after the killer bragged he was going to kill more white police.
There was no clear shot for a sniper. The killer had body armour, it was not unreasonable to think he had protection against tear gas or smoke bombs
It is so simple to sit at a keyboard and criticize decisions made by people who had lived through the entire incident and had all the information at hand.
 
Seriously...he already shot and killed multiple innocent people. The police negotiated with him for hours.

He refused to surrender his weapon and self. He spoke his intention to kill more cops.

Bystanders were long since removed from anywhere remotely near the scene. Police were far back and out of harms way due to the threat of being shot.

They were removed so far they had to communicate with him by robot and comms devices. If a bullet couldn't hit them at that distance and behind cover, a moderately controlled blast surely wouldn't.

Blow the f'er up...good kill and props for the innovation...innocent lives facing an ongoing and spoken intent of murder were saved...case closed.

This is Texas...kill people, won't surrender murder weapon and self, intend to kill more...you die. God bless Texas! :texasflag:
 
BTW...it's great to hear stories like this in the aftermath...

A Texas woman who was wounded while shielding her sons during the attack on a Dallas protest march thanked officers Sunday and said she would go to another demonstration to show her boys that she’s not a quitter.

Shetamia Taylor, who attended the march with her four sons, thanked Dallas police for protecting her in the chaos that erupted Thursday night.

"I want to say thank you to the officers," she said during an emotional press conference at Baylor University Medical Center. "They were really heroes for us. They saved my life, my son's life and I want to say thank you to them first and foremost."

She says officers shielded her as bullets whizzed through the air around them.

"They had no regard for their own life. They stayed there with us. They surrounded my son and I," she said.
 
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This incidence was a perfect example. By murdering (justifiably?) the shooter by remote control explosive, there doesn't appear to be any person responsible; no accountable individual. You would think a lawyer might demand to know who gave the order to blow the guy up and make an argument that the suspect was murdered. While such an argument isn't going to get much sympathy in this particular case, somewhere down the line law enforcement begins to resemble counterinsurgency operations when using such tactics. If that perception of the police emerges, anti-police groups and anarchists will simply employ more dangerous tactics of their own such as IEDs and the like which were used in Iraq. And this will place both the police and the general public in more danger than they are now when the violence is aimed specifically at the police.
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I feel certain that the robot didn't blow the guy up using artificial intelligence, and that the order to detonate has to be given by specific individuals.

We have already had IEDs used in the U.S., and this guy had bomb making materials in his house.

Will DPD's use of the robot encourage others? There is no way to know, and any claim that it will is speculation. We could also speculate that it will decrease crime.
 
Saying there is not a person responsible is simply wrong Chief Brown has made it clear many times He made the decision.
He stands by that decision
So I do not know where the poster gets the idea no one is taking responsibility
 
I don't trust the police departments to use these tools appropriately... They would be very useful, and I would support them if I could trust that they would use them only when necessary. This time around it was necessary, but too often we excuse police actions with "they are people too and make mistakes"... I believe we have the tech now to have much better resolutions to problems like these; but weapons companies have way too much pull for government contracts, and left over war weapons are way too easily accessible to PDs... we are going in the wrong direction.
 
The robot delivered bomb has been available to major metro police departments for quite a while and this is the first time it has been put to use. The use was judicious. Could it be misused? Police aren't perfect, but in Dallas the weapon's use required approval of the Police Chief and he informed the mayor before the weapon exploded. The best we can do is hire people we trust and expect the best.
 
ShAArk92 said:
SH ... there have been calls for this very thing. Even NPR has taken note.

So ... Clean wasn't so FAR OFF ... and we're only 3 days' removed from the tragedy.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...e-first-time-police-used-a-bomb-robot-to-kill
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That seems to be a sensible discussion of when robots should be used. Even the ACLU rep was saying we should have a discussion to about the rules of engagement. Not a single quote in that article says the Dallas PD was wrong for making the decision to use it at that moment. Nobody has denigrated the Dallas PD for using a robot to take out Micah Johnson that I've read. That article doesn't exactly reinforce this leap from the OP:

Clean said:
I'm sure liberal lawyers are already on the phone to his family trying to get them to sue the City of Dallas using some far-flung rationale.

I can already hear #BlackLivesMatter activists screaming; "they wouldn't do that if he'd been a white guy"!
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Feelings still hurt, Husker? Aww...

Here's a BLM attorney who stops a little short of what I said, but says; "I don't care about blue lives. I care about black lives".

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/11/black-lives-matter-attorney-dismantle-and-abolish-the-police/

I read that all three networks had people condemn the use of the robot to kill this morning.

The MSM is drowning public sympathy for the Dallas police killed with publicity of the Baton Rouge and Minnesota killings. You'll be hearing about those incidents long after Dallas is just a rumpled up Newspaper headline that the public ignores.

I stand by my predictions.
 
Clean said:
Feelings still hurt, Husker? Aww...

Here's a BLM attorney who stops a little short of what I said, but says; "I don't care about blue lives. I care about black lives".

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/11/black-lives-matter-attorney-dismantle-and-abolish-the-police/

I read that all three networks had people condemn the use of the robot to kill this morning.

The MSM is drowning public sympathy for the Dallas police killed with publicity of the Baton Rouge and Minnesota killings. You'll be hearing about those incidents long after Dallas is just a rumpled up Newspaper headline that the public ignores.

I stand by my predictions.
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From the link:

"One organizer of a protest in Chicago last year said in an appearance on MSNBC that “One of our major demands is that police be defunded and that that money used to fund police be used to fund black futures, and be used to fund our communities and things that we need.”

The Black Youth Project, an activist group that “organizes for the liberation of ALL Black people,” has demanded the defunding of all police departments. “We demand all local, state and federal budgets to defund the police and invest those dollars and resources in Black futures,” the group’s website states."


And now we see the objective being repeated; "The problems we have are someone else's fault", therefore, "Give us money".
 
Nash,
Black on black shoukd get as much ,no much more attention but it never will since the people who are accountable can not be held accountable.
 
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