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Larry T. Spider
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I honestly don't known what "reasonable gun control solutions" would stop this type of stuff. If you ban military style weapons, how are you going to deal with the thousands (millions?) already out there? How are you going to keep new ones from coming into our country? We certainly can't keep people and drugs that are illegal to be here out. Then, even if you are miraculously successful, how do you keep people from just using countless other means to inflict their psychotic rages?
I'm not saying the NRA guy is right, I just don't see the logistics working out with gun control. The cat is already out of the bag.
I'm not saying the NRA guy is right, I just don't see the logistics working out with gun control. The cat is already out of the bag.
Knoxville-Horn
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Roger calling someone crazy? That's rich.
Bevo Incognito
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Knoxville-Horn
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Uninformed
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Looks like we will be crime free shortly without any changes to the gun laws.
Larry T. Spider
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What happened in 1994?
Horns11
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Steven Levitt (sp?) says that it was because Roe v. Wade made abortions legal, therefore, the low-income, low-SES minority crowd that would have kept the crime rate increasing had fewer children in the 70s, and those children would have been the prime candidates for violent crime suspects in the 90s. While his methodology is suspect at best, his reasoning is quite good.
I would like to see the gun control advocates answer some of the difficult questions posed to them instead of the ad hominem attacks.
Why do cities with the most stringent gun control laws have some of the highest crime rates?
Why do these types of attacks tend to occur in gun free zones?
Why do cities with the most stringent gun control laws have some of the highest crime rates?
Why do these types of attacks tend to occur in gun free zones?
accuratehorn
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More guns = more gun deaths, per this article.
Regardless, we will continue to have 30,000 gun deaths per year, as the chart shows, every year since 1979.
More citizen vigilantees might stop some crimes, it is true, but that would be more than offset by the increase in accidents, crimes of passion and suicides via the extra guns.
The Link
Think this guy felt he was safer with a hand gun? Think he believed he was a responsible gun owner? Every gun owner I know is safe, responsible, exercising their second amendment rights. It couldn't happen to them.
But it does happen, 600 times each year, someone accidentally killing another in cases like this one.
So does anyone really believe that more guns out there, which might prevent a Luby's Cafeteria, or a school shooting, would offset the increased accidents, crimes of passion, and suicides?
The Link
Nothing like having a gun to protect your home from prowlers. Is your home really safer with guns around?
Someone needs to tell me why the United States would be safer with even more guns out there. How can there not be more deaths, because there would be more cases of drunk people with guns, more cases of a relative, a child, or the gun owner himself suffering from depression, mental illness, jealous rage, divorce, or tragic accidents. Why do you feel immune to these things?
Sure, it is a small percentage, but it all adds up to 34 murders per day, 2 accidental deaths per day, and 50 or so suicides per day in the United States every year.
Depressing statistics.
More guns = more gun deaths, per this article.
Regardless, we will continue to have 30,000 gun deaths per year, as the chart shows, every year since 1979.
More citizen vigilantees might stop some crimes, it is true, but that would be more than offset by the increase in accidents, crimes of passion and suicides via the extra guns.
The Link
Think this guy felt he was safer with a hand gun? Think he believed he was a responsible gun owner? Every gun owner I know is safe, responsible, exercising their second amendment rights. It couldn't happen to them.
But it does happen, 600 times each year, someone accidentally killing another in cases like this one.
So does anyone really believe that more guns out there, which might prevent a Luby's Cafeteria, or a school shooting, would offset the increased accidents, crimes of passion, and suicides?
The Link
Nothing like having a gun to protect your home from prowlers. Is your home really safer with guns around?
Someone needs to tell me why the United States would be safer with even more guns out there. How can there not be more deaths, because there would be more cases of drunk people with guns, more cases of a relative, a child, or the gun owner himself suffering from depression, mental illness, jealous rage, divorce, or tragic accidents. Why do you feel immune to these things?
Sure, it is a small percentage, but it all adds up to 34 murders per day, 2 accidental deaths per day, and 50 or so suicides per day in the United States every year.
Depressing statistics.
Bevo Incognito
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accuratehorn
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My point is we are not safer with more guns, not anything else.
It is likely, but just speculation, that fewer people would commit suicide if an easy way of doing it were not right in their hand, but maybe most or all would find another way.
I'm saying we as a society have decided it is OK for 30,000 per year to die from gunshots in order to protect peoples' right to bear arms. It's the price we pay, and it is not going to change.
It is likely, but just speculation, that fewer people would commit suicide if an easy way of doing it were not right in their hand, but maybe most or all would find another way.
I'm saying we as a society have decided it is OK for 30,000 per year to die from gunshots in order to protect peoples' right to bear arms. It's the price we pay, and it is not going to change.
UT chem e "Why do these types of attacks occur in gun free zones." -- I suspect it is because they are executed by cowards who want to die with a feeling of power they could not get without a gun that gives them might well beyond their weak-assed personhood.
"Why is it the cities with the strictist gun laws that have the highest rate of gun crime?" I'd honestly be surprised to learn that the handgun death toll per capita in cities like Houston and Dallas is higher than New York City. I'll admit I haven't seen recent stats. It may honestly be, as the gun advocates alledge, that armed criminals like it when ordinary citizens are disarmed. Obviously, you could go get your homies out the the clink at Joliet, take a legal road trip to Dallas and go to a gun show and sans a waiting period arm up and go back to Chicago, which ain't exactly a walled city.
"Why is it the cities with the strictist gun laws that have the highest rate of gun crime?" I'd honestly be surprised to learn that the handgun death toll per capita in cities like Houston and Dallas is higher than New York City. I'll admit I haven't seen recent stats. It may honestly be, as the gun advocates alledge, that armed criminals like it when ordinary citizens are disarmed. Obviously, you could go get your homies out the the clink at Joliet, take a legal road trip to Dallas and go to a gun show and sans a waiting period arm up and go back to Chicago, which ain't exactly a walled city.
UTChemE -- In answer to "Why do these incidents happen in gun free zones?" I think the answer is obviously they are perpetrated by cowards who want to die with a feeling of power the guns have given them over unarmed persons that that they could not otherwise obtain with their weak-assed personhood.
In answer to why higher rates of gun violence in cities with the strictist laws -- I can only speculate but I imaigine since America doesn't have walled cities, it's easy for a perp to go somewhere else and buy a gun, and exactly as the gun-lovers speculate -- enjoy preying on lawful people who can't own guns. Honestly, I be interested in the statistics. Are there a lot more gun crimes per capita in New York and Boston than their are in Dallas and Houston? That's counterintutive to my relative feeling of safety I feel walking the streets, unarmed of course, in those cities.
In answer to why higher rates of gun violence in cities with the strictist laws -- I can only speculate but I imaigine since America doesn't have walled cities, it's easy for a perp to go somewhere else and buy a gun, and exactly as the gun-lovers speculate -- enjoy preying on lawful people who can't own guns. Honestly, I be interested in the statistics. Are there a lot more gun crimes per capita in New York and Boston than their are in Dallas and Houston? That's counterintutive to my relative feeling of safety I feel walking the streets, unarmed of course, in those cities.
Larry T. Spider
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I'm still waiting to hear the specifics of gun control plan that would have prevented what happened at sandy hook.
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Using google and taking what I could find on page one of searches, found these statistics on deaths. I'm just writing out notes on what I found, references as I can. And anyone can run their own searches.
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