Crazy, Dishonorable Donald Trump Doubles Down on his Crazy

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Mr. Deez said:
First, if your'e talking about changing the budget process of spending bills passing through Congress and being signed or vetoed by the President, that's constitutional. Trump's not changing it, nor would I want him to.

Second, if you're talking about changing Obamacare, I wouldn't assume that Trump will change it to something you'd like. Keep in mind that he thinks single payer healthcare is great.

Furthermore, I would not necessarily assume Hillary wouldn't change it. Obama won't change it, because it's his legacy. He's staking his entire reputation for eternity on it. Hillary doesn't like Obama and doesn't give a crap about his legacy. If rates are spiking and complaints about the program are high, she'll throw Obama under the bus to save her own ***, especially if Democrats are in trouble in 2018, and the Senate map they have looks bad - worse than the 2016 map is for Republicans.
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Not talking about changing to constitution. Just getting obamacare voted out. It's not worth a dime.
 
I35 said:
Obamacare is just one. They had several options and did nothing. That is the worst legislation ever. I know because I lived it. It was a nightmare for me and I'd be dead right now because of it if my problem wasn't benign. It's a long story. Let's just say I though I had throat cancer and I completely lost my voice for 6 months. I ended up paying 100% of it out of pocket and still paying extremely high premiums each month for something that's useless. But we had the power of the purse and should have shut that program down. All it did was help a very select few and hurt the majority. The sad thing is nobody cared when I was trying to use my insurance and only money out of my pocket did the talking for me. Our congress should have put their foot down. It's a big time drag on our economy and its not helping regular Americans. Oh my premiums went up big time for less care.

I had to edit because I wanted to add something. I was given a network of doctors that I could use under obamacare. About 17 in my area. Several were no such Drs, several told me they don't know what I'm talking about that they aren't in the network and some had the same phone numbers and all doctors listed but like only one could serve me. I went to one and he did look down my throat. He stated that I do have something growing on my vocal cords. He scheduled me an appt for surgery. The day before it was scheduled he canceled. The nurse said that he's never done that procedure before and didn't feel comfortable doing it. I about lost it. I couldn't believe what I had just heard. I had the exact same thing Joan Rivers had but my surgery was two weeks after hers when she died. I could tell you so much more about this story but it would take forever. Stuff like insurance giving me a waiver and how all the doctors responded to that. It was crazy.
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I'm sorry to hear about your health problems, and glad to hear that things seem to be better.

Obamacare certainly wasn't the solution to your problems, or for very many problems at all. It is a clumsy, expensive, and ineffective attempt to fix the colossal mess that is our insurance system.

That said, I doubt the ACA caused your issues. Stories like yours happened all too often before the ACA, and they continue to this day.
 
I35's problems seem tragic. ACA certainly didn't fix all Healthcare problems and caused many more. Not sure it can be blamed for all healthcare system woes because the system wasn't all rainbows and gumdrops before ACA.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I35's problems seem tragic. ACA certainly didn't fix all Healthcare problems and caused many more. Not sure it can be blamed for all healthcare system woes because the system wasn't all rainbows and gumdrops before ACA.
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Yeah, but someone has been selling rainbows and gumdrops after ACA.
 
mchammer said:
Yeah, but someone has been selling rainbows and gumdrops after ACA.
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The rainbows and gumdrops went the way of 40 acres and a mule.

The idea was to take a system that had some problems but mostly worked well and make it look bad enough that a single payer system would start to look good. They're doing a good job at that.
 
Mr. Deez said:
The rainbows and gumdrops went the way of 40 acres and a mule.

The idea was to take a system that had some problems but mostly worked well and make it look bad enough that a single payer system would start to look good. They're doing a good job at that.
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And with President Trump, we can finally have an end to people dying in the streets.........
 
Oh, well, I guess I should not worry then, since those standup Reps in Congress will stop HRC from doing any damage. They've done such a bangup job opposing Obama, I should have known this all along.
 
Phil Elliott said:
Oh, well, I guess I should not worry then, since those standup Reps in Congress will stop HRC from doing any damage. They've done such a bangup job opposing Obama, I should have known this all along.
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I'll ask you what I've asked the others. Describe with specificity what they should have done to stop Obama that they didn't do.
 
Describe with specificity what they should have done to stop Obama that they didn't do.
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For starters, they could stop agreeing to budget deals that put us further and further in debt and fund the butchers at Planned Parenthood.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I35's problems seem tragic. ACA certainly didn't fix all Healthcare problems and caused many more. Not sure it can be blamed for all healthcare system woes because the system wasn't all rainbows and gumdrops before ACA.
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No but many of us had policies and providers that we were quite content with before the ACA cluster-eff. Now we don't...courtesy of the POS PotUS.
 
There was not any Pol that suggested the status quo medical insurance and access should have been continued.
To suggest otherwise is wrong.
There were plenty of pols and experts who foresaw the problems with ACA and yes the GOP did offer alternatives.
 
Can we just get rid of the Clinton's and Obamacare forever by voting them out? This issue alone should be enough for most America's to vote for Trump just to keep her from the White House. But again most voters don't look at the issues when deciding to vote.
 
I35 said:
Can we just get rid of the Clinton's and Obamacare forever by voting them out? This issue alone should be enough for most America's to vote for Trump just to keep her from the White House. But again most voters don't look at the issues when deciding to vote.
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If only the R's would have put up someone other than Trump/Cruz I'd be on the anti-HRC bandwagon. Now Obamacare? I'm in the "fix it not replace it" camp. A single-payer system is inevitable, unfortunately.
 
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