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the people who shape public opinion and perceptions are not driven by science, have no perspective at all, and clearly enjoy the crisis.
And therein lies the problem - it is advantageous to the Biden Administration to draw this crisis out as long as possible, so attention won't be drawn to their failures in other areas.
 
the people who shape public opinion and perceptions are not driven by science, have no perspective at all, and clearly enjoy the crisis.

This is true of just about everything the government does. Crisis crisis crisis. They have to act on our behalf before the world ends.

I say tell them to eff off.
 
And therein lies the problem - it is advantageous to the Biden Administration to draw this crisis out as long as possible, so attention won't be drawn to their failures in other areas.

True, but it's much bigger than that. There are huge businesses and institutions that benefit massively from this crisis.
 
The above is the first step.

The second step is estimate the number who would have been dead anyway without covid within 6 months and/or within 1 year.

The third step is to identify the health pre-conditions of those who died who had a life expectancy of more than a year without covid.

Finally, the cost of the shutdowns needs to be compared against the folks whose lives were lost in the 3rd step.
 
He misspelled his own last name.

Sheeple are people who don’t think on their own. The left has labeled anyone weighing risk reward as anti vaccine which is a mistake. I’ve been vaccinated but support my 22 year old that doesn’t think the risk is worth it. She isn’t sheeple, she is a highly intelligent woman.
 
Throughout the Wuhan Panic, leftist have been far more frightened of it than conservatives.

We don't watch as much panic porn on TV as the leftists, we elect better governors than New York does who sent infected old folks back to nursing homes to kill the most vulnerable, and we believe Science!!!, so understand that the risk factors for younger people in good shape are miniscule, and may not be worth of the risk of a vaccine that if it wasn't being provided under emergency rules, would have been pulled for the number of deaths it causes.
 
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True, but it's much bigger than that. There are huge businesses and institutions that benefit massively from this crisis.

As I wrote:

Look, the reaction to the Wuhan did its job, better than any freakout to a virus in history:

China got stronger and the US got weaker.
The rich got richer, and the poor got poorer.
Amazon/Google/Apple got richer, and small businesses closed for good.
Government power was increased, and personal freedom was decreased.
Democrats won seats, and Republicans lost them.

It all worked out wonderfully - to those in the left side of the list - just the way they worked so hard for it to happen.
 
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Our politicians sacrificed kids to save adults. It should be the other way around (unless it’s an issue of national survival such as war).

Just 25 'Under 18s' Died From COVID In England, 100s Died From Suicide And Trauma | ZeroHedge

Kids don't vote. Adults do. And even when kids do vote, they're far too stupid to actually figure out what the hell's going on, and adults know better than to tell them.

And this shouldn't surprise anybody. We do this with entitlements too. Why would we make an exception with Covid?
 
Sheeple.

Sad.


Nobody has told me not to get the vaccine. As a matter of fact I have been told almost daily that I must get it to save the world. I have decided on my own based on what I see with my own eyes to hold out to see what happens. You and your kind will gladly follow your false idol to your grave because they said so. You are the sheeple.
 
Nobody has told me not to get the vaccine. As a matter of fact I have been told almost daily that I must get it to save the world. I have decided on my own based on what I see with my own eyes to hold out to see what happens. You and your kind will gladly follow your false idol to your grave because they said so. You are the sheeple.
All I hear is
 


That's a tragic story, one deserving of empathy. That girl is clearly suffering. I'm hoping someone can point me to a doctor's response or study that what this girl is suffering from is vaccine related. A mother's love is immovable but this particular mother is an artist and jewelry maker. She does not have a medical degree that I can tell. She's simply a mother that desperately loves her daughter and is correlating her illness to the vaccine. Based on the barrage of tests she's undergone her Doctors clearly think the root of this girls problems are something other than Covid or the Vaccine. I truly hope they can find the cause of this girls illness, even if it's the vaccine.

Speaking of anecdotal stories, all 3 of my sons are vaccinated with either Pfizer (22yr, 20yr) or J&J (18yr). Fortunately, none of them had more than a sore spot on their arm for 24hrs after their shots.
 
It's almost like people should be given the freedom to do what they think is best for them in their unique case. The medical industry should provide factual, complete, non-biased information, and let people use it to choose.
 
No I don’t. The government which has mislead Americans continues to promote the vaccine as “totally” safe. If she had not gotten the vaccine, she would not be having terrible side effects. If she got Covid, she had a 99.9% chance of minor effects and/or death.
The current trends are highlighting the effectiveness of the vaccine. Almost all of the patients being hospitalized and succumbing are unvaxxed. Note that Murdoch, Trump, et al are vaccinated. They just don't want the rubes to think about it in that light. Discord is champion! Yay!
 
Speaking of anecdotal stories, all 3 of my sons are vaccinated with either Pfizer (22yr, 20yr) or J&J (18yr). Fortunately, none of them had more than a sore spot on their arm for 24hrs after their shots.

I sincerely hope none of them get as bad off as the young lady in the video.

What a horrible tragedy, a real life changer that has REAL consequences. Young people should see this video and see the dangers of the vax. Risk vs reward for that age group... not worth it
 
The current trends are highlighting the effectiveness of the vaccine. Almost all of the patients being hospitalized and succumbing are unvaxxed. Note that Murdoch, Trump, et al are vaccinated. They just don't want the rubes to think about it in that light. Discord is champion! Yay!

To reinforce your perspective from the AP:

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

Another article I read (can't find the link at the moment) said the average age of the hospitalized has dropped 10yrs to the low 50's because we have done a better job a vaccinating the elderly while those like the people on this board have been less successful in getting vaccinated.
 
I sincerely hope none of them get as bad off as the young lady in the video.

What a horrible tragedy, a real life changer that has REAL consequences. Young people should see this video and see the dangers of the vax. Risk vs reward for that age group... not worth it

That's the point. There is zero evidence in that post by that loving Mom that what her daughter is suffering from is vaccine related. Meanwhile, at least 3 individuals in this thread have ran with the story that this young woman is suffering from vaccine side effects. Why? Because it confirms the desired narrative y'all believe.

I'm skeptical of the story until I see some medical validation. My bias is against any story that's not specifically supported by the data at hand. Here is some of the data on adverse side effects related to Pfizer.

Yes, that's how misinformation gets spread. Show me a medical study or heck even her Doctor stating this girl is suffering from the vaccine and I'll be open to listening. Absent that it's a BS correlation to a tragic story.
 
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