Comey and Mueller

So basically, the new precedent will be that if a jury returns a verdict that we don't like, we will hunt down the jurors and hold them accountable. Just like the founding fathers intended...
 
Apparently jury has also asked for the judge to explain which of the 388 prosecution docs admitted into evidence goes with each of the 18 charges.
= Sloppy procedural work by Team Mueller
 
ProdigalHorn said:
So basically, the new precedent will be that if a jury returns a verdict that we don't like, we will hunt down the jurors and hold them accountable. Just like the founding fathers intended...
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Liberals are such lovely people
The judge in this case now requires US Marshall's protection because of the dangers posed by these people

 
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It was CNN who requested the names and addresses of the jurors

What do you suppose they were going to do with that information?

Maybe Dem activists asked CNN to make this request?
CNN is basically Dem activists themselves anyway
Were they going to shame the jurors?
Intimidate them?
Harm them?
 
Joe Fan said:
It is pretty late in the process for this, perhaps too late, but good luck to them. I did bring this idea up months ago in this forum.

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OK, so Papadopoulos told the truth to Team Mueller, and they deemed it not “cooperative enough” because he did not give them the answers they wanted
It almost makes this sound like a witch hunt, doesn’t it?

 
Joe Fan said:
...Maybe Dem activists asked CNN to make this request? CNN is basically Dem activists themselves anyway
Were they going to shame the jurors?
Intimidate them?
Harm them?
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CNN folks sometimes wonder why everyone hates them

Well .... the most reasonable explanation for this stunt is that they wanted the Manafort jurors to know CNN was after their names and home addresses. Whether the legal action was successful or not was not the main point, the main point was CNN was sending them a not very subtle message -- CNN wanted these jurors to see it, to know about and to read about it over the weekend as a threat -- EITHER YOU VOTE TO CONVICT, OR ELSE ......
It was mafia-level intimidation

Federal Judge Denies CNN Request To Dox Jurors In Manafort Trial

CNN has a history of doxxing or threatening to dox people in the past

" .... CNN has a history of going after private individuals who do things that offend the network’s political sensibilities, like that time one of their reporters threatened to dox a Reddit user unless he (or she) was nicer to the news network. CNN also sent a correspondent earlier this year to an elderly woman’s front lawn to demand she explain herself after reportedly sharing pro-Trump memes on Facebook that were created by a Russian bot factory....."

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The First Amendment does not shield reporters from responsibility for criminal acts
 
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This Darcy person works for CNN
He thinks the idea of doxxing CNN employees is offensive
But he also somehow thinks doxxing jurors in the Manafort case is wonderful. This eventhough jurors are not public figures, and did not volunteer for the job.

 
CNN is a very dangerous organization. They have basically become the tool of the DNC disguised as “news.”
 
Cohen's plea deal is prosecutor's attempt to set up Trump

"Think about this for a minute: Suppose ABC had paid Stormy Daniels for her story in coordination with Michael Avenatti or maybe even the Democratic National Committee’s law firm on the eve of the election; by this reasoning, if the purpose of this money paid, just before the election, would be to hurt Trump and help Clinton win, this payment would be a corporate political contribution. If using it not to get Trump would be a corporate contribution, then using it to get Trump also has to be a corporate contribution. That’s why neither are corporate contributions and this is a bogus approach to federal election law. (Note that none of the donors in the 2012 John Edwards case faced any legal issues and the Federal Election Commission [FEC] ruled their payments were not campaign contributions that had to be reported — facts that prosecutors tried to suppress at trial.)"
 
Once I saw that Clinton fixer Lanny Davis was representing Cohen, I knew he was going to flip. We'll see what he has to say under oath and the rest of the evidence.

Of course, the media is going to treat him as a latter-day John Dean.
 
The audience reaction here is kind of funny
Lanny Davis is now Cohen's mouthpiece
NBC studio audiences are not exactly packed with Republicans, for obvious reasons

 
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The audience reaction here is kind of funny
Lanny Davis is now Cohen's mouthpiece
NBC studio audiences are not exactly packed with Republicans, for obvious reasons
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Lanny Davis, by coincidence, or not, is also the registered foreign agent for Russian Oligarch Firtash (who has direct ties to Putin).
There are also reports that Davis is repping Cohen pro bono.
If it walks like Russian Collusion and talks like Russian Collusion ....

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A partial of Davis' contribution list
Indirect foreign monies?
Doesnt really matter, I guess. Democrats are immune from DOJ scrutiny

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I did not realize this.

The investigation into Hillary’s emails being hacked by China, the Mueller investigation, Hillary’s email investigation (the mid-year exam), the Weiner laptop investigation and the fake Russia – Trump investigation all have this in common –
Peter Strzok was the investigator / lead investigator in all these scandals!


And Strzok’s a liar!

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Were both Podestas given immunity?
Their work was often intertwined with Manafort's -- and Greg Craig's as well


 
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Nunes is moving to release all of his committee's depo transcripts -- he says 70 people -- and he wants it done prior to the election


 
So the Congress has been able to force testimony from Nellie Ohr about what she was doing for Fusion GPS. I wish this were public but it probably wont be
 
Some of the Lisa Page non-public testimony is beginning to leak. Until now, she has been mostly infamous for her texts to her married lover FBI agent Pater Strzok. Apparently, behind closed doors, she admitted the FBI had no case for Russian Collusion at the time Mueller was appointed. This was after 9-months of a massive FBI surveillance process.

You may recall from earlier posts that one of the requirements for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor -- is that a crime be articulated. Here, they could not do that. You might also recall that Page was a lead on the Russia case when it started (Summer 2016). She also transitioned to Mueller (through Summer 2017). If anyone knew, she did. These admissions by her were consistent with the admissions of both Comey and Strzok.

She testified: ‘Even as far as May 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question’​

Thus, at the time Rosenstein unleashed Mueller, all of the lead folks involved (Comey, Strzok, Page) were in agreement that the FBI could neither validate nor even articulate any type of connection between Trump and Russia. Which means no SP was justified under the rules.

Further, Page also confirmed that the FBI/DOJ leaked a barrage of media stories just before and after Mueller’s appointment in an attempt to falsely bolster the idea of some type of collusion, something they knew did not exist. Multiple texts show contacts between key FBI/DOJ types with the WAPO, the AP and the NYT during the ramp-up to Mueller. The media was more than willing to play along, despite the lack of any evidence.

Lastly, something else Page’s leaked statements make clear is that the FBI/DOJ duped the Secret Court of the United States in order to gain approval for what was probably the most extraordinary case of surveillance into an American presidential campaign in US history.
 
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Sara Carter is reporting that sources are telling her the President may intervene soon and declassify parts of the FISA application identified by House members as being critical.
I would like to see this stuff for myself.
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Sounds like the Deep State might defy the President's order and still redact certain parts of what has been ordered declassified and released.
Constitutional crisis or just insubordination?

 
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So the Congress has been able to force testimony from Nellie Ohr about what she was doing for Fusion GPS. I wish this were public but it probably wont be
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So Nellie Ohr is refusing to appear for her congressional deposition
Go figure
Nothing to hide
 
Joe Fan said:
Sounds like the Deep State might defy the President's order and still redact certain parts of what has been ordered declassified and released.
Constitutional crisis or just insubordination?
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There is one part to this story i find really interesting -- will DOJ (or have they already?) doctor whatever it is from the FISA application before they give it to the Congress? In other words, are they so determined to hide whatever it was they were really doing from oversight that they created a second set of FISA app documents to give to Congress?

The Congress seemed to anticipate that this was a possibility so back near the beginning of this year, they began sending letters to the chief FISC judge. They put her on notice to preserve everything.

The FISA Court Presiding Judge is named Rosemary Collyer. Before all of this even started, she had already blistered the Obama people over their abuses of the secret court.
The letters to her were from --
(1) House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes who has primary oversight over our collective Intelligence Community. Nunes asked Judge Collyer for the transcripts from the FISA Court hearing on the DOJ/FBI's request for surveillance application on Carter Page.
(2) House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte who has primary oversight authority over DOJ -including the FISA court. Goodlatte asked the same judge for the actual FISA application for their surveillance of Carter Page.
As you can see, they coordinated to pin her in from all sides. This was not so much clever as simply thorough.

Judge Collyer did respond to both but we cant see the full response (since its secret shyte and all). We do know she said she had “never previously receiving such requests.” We also know she tried hard to shift responsibility for this material onto the Executive Branch. There are indeed obvious Separation of Power issues involved -- for example, even though the FISA system was created by the Legislative Branch, the secret court is a part of the Judicial Branch. Yet these two committees also hold unique statutory oversight.

It is a very interesting legal issue and the kind of stuff I have always loved. But I can tell from the lack of previous responses to my other posts on this topic, I may be the only one here who thinks this way. LOL. That's OK. I will continue to post the highlights anyway. And for the purposes of this forum, probably the most interesting part is going to be whether Nunes and Goodlatte catch DOJ folks giving them altered/doctored documents. If they do, not only will those someones be fired, but it would also be a crime. But they know this too, so hopefully they wont do it. We will see. Bottom line, I do think we have the right chief judge of the FISA system. She does not seek or want the spotlight but if she sees anything illegal, she will let it be known.
 
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