Clinton meme (pretty funny)

Somebody wants some

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mchammer said:
Did you note that link provided a "simple" definition as well as the full definition? Apparently the simple definition is for the simpleminded, aka the left.
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I'm curious how you square the quote below with either definition. Of course, it seems some ignore what comes out of Trumps mouth which is the source of the fascist accusations. Is that what you are doing? Ignoring what Trump says?

mchammer said:
True fascism. Irks me to no end when people call Trump a fascist when one of the most fascist programs in US history is Obamacare. Are the leftists too stupid to look up the definition of fascism?
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Fascism is the marriage of government and industry (along with autocratic control of society) at the expense of the individual. Obamacare is great example of this. Bigotry, which Trump is accused of, is not fascism. Nationalism, parts of which Trump has espoused, is not fascism. Strong anti-immigration law is not fascism. Just because a percentage of the Nazi supporters were racists doesn't mean Bigotry = Fascism. Then again this is the type is simplistic and lazy thinking that unfortunately characterizes most of leftist thought.
 
mchammer said:
Fascism is the marriage of government and industry (along with autocratic control of society) at the expense of the individual. Obamacare is great example of this. Bigotry, which Trump is accused of, is not fascism. Nationalism, parts of which Trump has espoused, is not fascism. Strong anti-immigration law is not fascism. Just because a percentage of the Nazi supporters were racists doesn't mean Bigotry = Fascism. Then again this is the type is simplistic and lazy thinking that unfortunately characterizes most of leftist thought.
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Has Trump said that he would force companies to bring their manufacturing back to the US over and over and over? Carrier and Apple were called out by name. What were you saying about the marriage of government and industry? Trump said he'd implement a religious test for immigration, the assumption being he'd disregard the Constitution right? I could go on an on but his statements assume fascist rule. Notice these accusations are based on Trump's rhetoric and didn't even broach his obvious bigotry.

Now, on the affordable care act...it was democratically legislated and ultimately held up by the Supreme Court. Making no judgement of the quality of the legislation but to call it "fascist" in light of those two facts wouldn't be accurate. You're cherry-picking elements of the definition to fit a narrative while forgiving truly fascist statement by your preferred candidate. Since we are painting with broad brushes, choosing a narrative then picking only the facts that support it "unfortunately characterizes most of the [conservative] thought."
 
Seattle Husker said:
I'm curious how you square the quote below with either definition. Of course, it seems some ignore what comes out of Trumps mouth which is the source of the fascist accusations. Is that what you are doing? Ignoring what Trump says?
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Long discussions attempting to deconstruct political memes are not a productive use of anyone's time.
 
Whatever happened to EpiPen guy?
Where is he?
What did they do with him?
Is he still alive?

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Seattle Husker said:
Has Trump said that he would force companies to bring their manufacturing back to the US over and over and over? Carrier and Apple were called out by name. What were you saying about the marriage of government and industry? Trump said he'd implement a religious test for immigration, the assumption being he'd disregard the Constitution right? I could go on an on but his statements assume fascist rule. Notice these accusations are based on Trump's rhetoric and didn't even broach his obvious bigotry.

Now, on the affordable care act...it was democratically legislated and ultimately held up by the Supreme Court. Making no judgement of the quality of the legislation but to call it "fascist" in light of those two facts wouldn't be accurate. You're cherry-picking elements of the definition to fit a narrative while forgiving truly fascist statement by your preferred candidate. Since we are painting with broad brushes, choosing a narrative then picking only the facts that support it "unfortunately characterizes most of the [conservative] thought."
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When the government and industry are in cahoots on supply of goods and services and then also forces individuals to pay for their products under penalty of law, that's fascism regardless what semantics the Supreme Court wants to put on it.

Regarding your point about regulating businesses that move overseas, that doesn't elevate the state over individuals, so not a good example.

Wow, oh wow about immigration. Constitution is silent on immigration and rights of visitors to our country. Try again.
 
mchammer said:
When the government and industry are in cahoots on supply of goods and services and then also forces individuals to pay for their products under penalty of law, that's fascism regardless what semantics the Supreme Court wants to put on it.
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LOL! OK, facts be damned it is what you say it is. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but not to being right, right?

Regarding your point about regulating businesses that move overseas, that doesn't elevate the state over individuals, so not a good example.
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Citizens United says corporations are the equivalent to individuals. Isn't your working definition of fascism that government control over corporations at the exclusion of the individual? Isn't that what Trump is proposing by saying he'll force them to bring the jobs back?

Wow, oh wow about immigration. Constitution is silent on immigration and rights of visitors to our country. Try again.
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Visitors or permanent residents? Here is the first amendment:

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

I think I know someone that may have a copy of the Constitution for you to borrow.
 
1. You should read this:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...2016-immigration-vetting-214171#ixzz4HeB7NcwZ

Extreme vetting is the norm not the exception for immigration. Granted, adding religion would be a new test, but not unconstitutional (since most of the other tests are unconstitutional too if applied domestically). Besides, you failed to note that Trump quickly moved from a religious test in the heat of a terrorist attack to a test of immigrants from countries with a history of terrorism (within a few days if I recall). Why did you mention permanent visitors? You have to immigrate first to become a permanent visitor. I don't believe Trump was planning to vet permanent visitors.

2. The individual being forced by the state to do things he doesn't want to do by an autocratic leader who supposedly speaks for the state is fascism. Obamacare is the better example of fascism in the US today than Trump wanting to build a wall or extreme vetting to keep out terrorists.

3. Regarding corporations, please explain how Trump's comments are more fascist than Clinton's plan to tax companies to prevent them from leaving the US? Seems equivalent to me. Again, this more nationalistic than fascist unless Trump plans to send brownshirts to corporate headquarters.
 
mchammer said:
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2. The individual being forced by the state to do things he doesn't want to do by an autocratic leader who supposedly speaks for the state is fascism. Obamacare is the better example of fascism in the US today than Trump wanting to build a wall or extreme vetting to keep out terrorists......
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Or being forced to make & decorate a cake you do not want to make & decorate
 
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