Christian Persecution

[Chop]

I really can't stand this latest development. In my personal life, and in my reading of the world around me, Christians and Hindus have always had very good relations--despite being about as different as two religions can be.

On a geopolitical level, the USA and India have been trying to come together in some form of alliance, and this can't be good for that.

 

[Chop]

Cynical Chop says, don't worry. It won't be long before the Muslims over there do something really bad. Then the Hindu rage and persecution will be directed at someone other than the Christians again.

That's kind of bad, but I think it's true.

 

[Mr. Deez]

This seems dumber than the run-of-the-mill war for land, resources, enforcing treaties, etc. Here, it's "You turned away from my religion to some other religion; therefore I will kill you!" "And, oh yeah, my deity will reward me for killing you!"

You mean like your run-of-the-mill Muslim in the Middle East?

 

[Mr. Deez]

Hrumph!

Where's Sadhguru or the Maharishi when you need them...?
(at least one of the above is a fraud)

Might it be the one who was trying to bang the Beatles' girlfriends?

 

[guy4321]

I really can't stand this latest development. In my personal life, and in my reading of the world around me, Christians and Hindus have always had very good relations--despite being about as different as two religions can be.

On a geopolitical level, the USA and India have been trying to come together in some form of alliance, and this can't be good for that.

Agree Hindus don't generally seem violent, but we found some that are.

 

[Monahorns]

Agree Hindus don't generally seem violent, but we found some that are.

They are very when they rule society. They don't brook any competition over their cultural hegemony. We in the West have actually been stupid not to do the same with Christianity. They are the norm in the world. We are the exception.

 

[Mr. Deez]

They are very when they rule society. They don't brook any competition over their cultural hegemony. We in the West have actually been stupid not to do the same with Christianity. They are the norm in the world. We are the exception.

So we Christians should be more violent? I've developed a sore elbow. I'm not sure that my head-severing skills would be very good.

 

[Monahorns]

So we Christians should be more violent? I've developed a sore elbow. I'm not sure that my head-severing skills would be very good.

No. But there are ways of protecting culture from atheism, Marxism, and letting other religions change our culture through grievance shopping. Not sure about how to do it, but something is needed.

 

[Facing Addiction]

At what point do we acknowledge how often the Christian Right has been right? | Not the Bee

A lot more than this, and:

we simply cannot be surprised that "too many young people place too little value on human life." If we really did want to rise up and say no more, it should be with more than platitudes. It should be with an awareness that:

• When you teach kids every day in biology class that human life is nothing but a cosmic accident with no purpose
• When you teach kids every day that murdering an infant in the womb for convenience is a legitimate moral choice
• When you teach kids every day that killing off the elderly is socially justifiable
• When you teach kids every day that exterminating the sick and the dying is ethical
• When you teach kids every day that suicide is courageous so long as it is assisted by a physician

…you simply cannot be surprised when those kids grow up believing that human life has no real value. That's precisely what you've taught them.

 

[Facing Addiction]

Smithsonian provides 'immediate training' after kicking out Catholic school group (msn.com)

museum staff members had "mocked the students, called them expletives, and made comments that the museum was a 'neutral zone'" when informing the group members that they could not wear their hats.

 

[guy4321]

Smithsonian provides 'immediate training' after kicking out Catholic school group (msn.com)

museum staff members had "mocked the students, called them expletives, and made comments that the museum was a 'neutral zone'" when informing the group members that they could not wear their hats.

Enjoy that lawsuit, Smithsonian! From the SI themselves:

"Courts have also held that the Smithsonian enjoys the immunity of the United States from lawsuits, unless such suits are authorized by Congress under specific statutes, such as the Federal Torts Claim Act (torts), the U.S. Copyright Act (copyright infringement), the Tucker Act (contracts), and Title VII the Civil Rights Act (discrimination)."

Legal History | Smithsonian Institution

 

[Mr. Deez]

Enjoy that lawsuit, Smithsonian! From the SI themselves:

"Courts have also held that the Smithsonian enjoys the immunity of the United States from lawsuits, unless such suits are authorized by Congress under specific statutes, such as the Federal Torts Claim Act (torts), the U.S. Copyright Act (copyright infringement), the Tucker Act (contracts), and Title VII the Civil Rights Act (discrimination)."

Legal History | Smithsonian Institution

Woke corporations and government institutions do things that are blatantly illegal all the time. It's just a matter of if someone wants to go to the trouble of suing.

 

[Facing Addiction]

So many things are lumped together to condemn Christianity under the banner of White Christian Nationalism. But at the end of the day, if you are a Follower of Christ, you are to be shamed and condemned to wherever they want to send you because they don't believe in hell...

Democrats pass resolution condemning 'white religious nationalism' (msn.com)

 

[Facing Addiction]

Not sure what I think about the He Gets Us campaign, but a lot of people knee jerk against it because of "Christian"......

He Gets Us responds to AOC's attack on Christian Super Bowl ads (msn.com)

 

[guy4321]

Woke corporations and government institutions do things that are blatantly illegal all the time. It's just a matter of if someone wants to go to the trouble of suing.

Someone does want to go through the trouble.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/national-archives-sued-for-abortion-opponent-clothing-flap.html

Not sure what I think about the He Gets Us campaign, but a lot of people knee jerk against it because of "Christian"......

He Gets Us responds to AOC's attack on Christian Super Bowl ads (msn.com)

"Something tells me Jesus would *not* spend millions of dollars on Super Bowl ads to make fascism look benign," Ocasio-Cortez wrote.

Didn't realize she complained until this article. I might actually agree with her first part - "Jesus would *not* spend millions of dollars on Super Bowl ads". Article says that's $20 million. I could see him doing something more direct with the $20M like paying off crushing medical debt for 40 people. Certainly smaller scale than the 113 million people that watched the Super Bowl but more impactful than 60 seconds of TV for that small group. Why? For example, he fed the crowd hearing him preach. He didn't make food appear for everyone in the nation.


However, I don't follow her next part "make fascism look benign" Huh? Pictures of people arguing makes fascism look benign?

 

[guy4321]

Then as soon as I finish reading that AOC article, this pops up. F Canada. Blame Canada?

Pastor put in week-long solitary confinement for church service predicts Canadian revival: 'Something stirred' | Fox News

 

[Chop]

A Christian who was persecuted severely--to the point of death and martyrdom:

St Valentine

We celebrate him today worldwide.

Reportedly, one of the Roman judges who held him was converted (along with many other people) after Valentine talked with him about Jesus, then did a miracle by healing the judge's daughter from blindness. Valentine then told the judge to go home and destroy all of the idols in his house. The judge did so, came back and freed every Christian in the prison. Valentine also reportedly clandestinely married Roman soldiers and Christian wives.


Saint Valentine supposedly wore a purple amethyst ring, customarily worn on the hands of Christian bishops with an image of Cupid engraved in it, a recognizable symbol associated with love that was legal under the Roman Empire; Roman soldiers would recognize the ring and ask him to perform marriage for them. Probably due to the association with Saint Valentine, amethyst has become the birthstone of February, which is thought to attract love.
Valentine's Day - Wikipedia
Saint Valentine - Wikipedia

 

[Facing Addiction]

Rise up, rise up.....

“Outpouring” at Asbury University chapel runs over a week | WORLD (wng.org)

 

[Chop]

Rise up, rise up.....

“Outpouring” at Asbury University chapel runs over a week | WORLD (wng.org)

I can't know the timeline, but perhaps we're due for another Awakening...?

 

[Facing Addiction]

How an ‘itchy sweater’ sparked a new Christian revival at a Kentucky university (msn.com)

Every day, more students came, praying and singing around the clock, taking shifts between classes and mealtimes and even at bedtime to the point the chapel never emptied. Soon, reports of similar around-the-clock prayer sessions were popping up at other college campuses, including Lee University in Tennessee, Cedarville University in Ohio, and Samford University in Alabama.

 

[Horn6721]

maybe we aren't lost after all.

 

[Facing Addiction]

A leaked FBI memo targets "radical" Catholics in the US. The Republican-led House wants answers. | Not the Bee

What characterizes a "radicalized" Catholic, according the FBI?

Some traits include preferring listening to the Mass in Latin, the view that there's only one road to heaven, abortion is sinful, and LGBTQ lifestyles are sinful.

According to the memo, radical beliefs like these lead to racism, white supremacy, and violent extremists, so the memo directed federal surveillance of these sorts of Catholics.

 

[Driver 8]

But there are ways of protecting culture from atheism

LOL! oh boy
yeah those atheists are just destroying culture with their sinister disbelief

So we Christians should be more violent?

Evangelicals would do it in a second if they thought they could get way with it
Gentle Jesus meek and mild? **** you, it's Inquisition 2.0 time baby

 

[Mr. Deez]

Evangelicals would do it in a second if they thought they could get way with it
Gentle Jesus meek and mild? f**k you, it's Inquisition 2.0 time baby

I've been an evangelical for 46 years, and I've literally never heard one even suggest such a thing even in private. Most of them aren't interested in a new round of the Crusades.

 

[Monahorns]

LOL! oh boy
yeah those atheists are just destroying culture with their sinister disbelief

Yes. The evidence is all around.

Evangelicals would do it in a second if they thought they could get way with it
Gentle Jesus meek and mild? f**k you, it's Inquisition 2.0 time baby

If we thought we could get away with it. We could have a generation ago and 2, 3, and 4. Doesn't look like that was the case. America has been tolerant on multiple levels since its founding and that will always be the case.

 

[Horns11]

I've been an evangelical for 46 years, and I've literally never heard one even suggest such a thing even in private. Most of them aren't interested in a new round of the Crusades.

Maybe the ones you hang out with? All those children's songs aimed at being some type of Christian soldier or army member aren't getting less popular.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Maybe the ones you hang out with? All those children's songs aimed at being some type of Christian soldier or army member aren't getting less popular.

It's called a metaphor. Just because you sing "I'm in the Lord's Army" as a kid (as I did) doesn't mean you actually think you should take up arms and kill people. Keep in mind that Christians generally believe in free will. Putting a gun as somebody's head and ordering him to say "Jesus is Lord" is not a victory for a Christ or for Christianity. A Christian believes a changed heart is a victory.

 

[mchammer]

A Christian believes a changed heart is a victory.

And Christians should pray for their enemies. Direct quote from the big man himself.

 

[Monahorns]

Those Christian notions are why general American viewpoints on violence say that assault is evil and self defense is okay. Violence is for defense only. We call violence outside of defense felony.

 

[Horns11]

It's called a metaphor. Just because you sing "I'm in the Lord's Army" as a kid (as I did) doesn't mean you actually think you should take up arms and kill people. Keep in mind that Christians generally believe in free will. Putting a gun as somebody's head and ordering him to say "Jesus is Lord" is not a victory for a Christ or for Christianity. A Christian believes a changed heart is a victory.

It's symbolic (guarding yourself from evil) to you and to 99.9% of rational, free-thinking Christians. But the metaphor doesn't just have to be the Ephesians 6 variety. Are there Christian nationalists with stockpiles of weapons in Idaho? Yes. Are they mainstream? No.