Chiles...

What concerns me the most is his decision making skills. This is the second game he has put the ball on the carpet with poor ball control, while trying to make the "big play".

That's bad enough, but running out of bounds when you are in clock killing mode is not a good sign of a guy who is thinking about the game, just the play.

It is time to use Sherrod in these situations and let John watch. I have seen no improvement in his decision making in the last four games. I did see him barking at our lineman while coming off the field, that was troubling. If he sits (from the QB position) for a couple of games, and he decides to transfer, perhaps that would be best for both parties.
 
Chiles has not shown improvement. VY showed improvement, Colt showed improvement. Chiles looks just as raw as he did last year. Did he work during off season? Is he getting QB coaching? Footwork looks poor.
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What's required when playing in that position is field awareness of everything that is going on around you.

To develop more fully, he needs time, but this program is now operating at a very high level.

Chiles is backing up maybe the best quarteback in the country on a team that is showing the best defense in the country. He put the ball on the field with a 42 point lead. It's not like he was trying to make a miracle finish. I hope he learns from that play. His teammates had just played their hearts out for 58 minutes to keep the opposition at 3 points.

I have liked Sharrod Harris from the get-go and wish he had never gotten nicked up. I'm in favor or putting the "Chiles Package" on the back burner.

Right now the way everything is falling into place in the top 10, this team is on the verge of greatness. This is not a rebuilding year. The championship is there for the taking. Chiles can now settle into a support role of being the most careful quarterback on the field.

While I'm at it, Cody Johnson has my vote for starting TB and should play most of the game.
 
The clock is ticking on how fast his improvements must continue. He has what, two years left after this? One sitting behind Colt. He has shown improvement but like when you tap the gas twice in Cruisin' USA he needs to turbo boost his forward progress somehow, quickly.
 
Chiles is NOT a good passer. IF you had watched the spring game you would know this. He has not improved that much either. Did you see the wounded duck he threw today? or the really low pass to a wr on a hitch route? This bias for chiles is amazing. (Yes I know some of you realize he is not that good. I'm not talking to you.) He isn't a great runner either. No, it is not the fault of the coaches. Nor is it a lack of experience. McCoy came in as a rs frosh and kicked ***. Chiles needs to move to safety or something. He does not help at qb or at wr. During the spring game, Harris looked like twice the qb chiles is today. Harris should be our backup qb. John Chiles is not vince young at all. But ya, John Chiles shoulds starts. Rant Complete.
 
Chiles has improved tremendously as a passer.

He has not improved the fact that he is one of the least elusive athletic guys I've ever seen. Twice in this game he had a guy one-on-one in the open field and he sort of stumbled into them off of a weak cut. Very Reggie McNeal.
 
His physical ability should not be the point, although with a few exceptions, his play has been average to poor. I reiterate, his decision making skills are not adequate.

We should a t least give Sharrod an equal chance.

And while were talking about chances, Vondrell's should be when Cody is winded.
 
My Dad and I talked about this a lot at the game today. He reminds us both of Super Bill Bradley, who was all everything when he came to Texas from Palestine. He played quarterback at Texas until Darrell Royal decided to replace him with James Street.

Bill was moved to safety and ended up having a successful career in the NFL at safety.

Coach Royal had the intestinal fortitude to tell Bill his future wasn't at quarterback; Coach Brown needs to do the same for John!
 
With all the freshmen talent that Muschamp is currently developing on defense, I'm not sure that defense is the place for Chiles. If he can learn to relax, have more fun, and work with the coaches on a step-by-step progression plan, there's no reason he can't continue to improve as a QB. If Chiles takes up another position, then that would leave only McCoy and Harris as our two QBs... that would not be good situation.
 
The only player that is getting screwed is Sherrod. These failed attemts to inject Chiles into the QB position are just making the backup QB situation worse.
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What I like about this team more than any since I've been here -- including 2005 -- is the sense of accountability and responsibility to just flat out get the job done. A killer instinct. Never letting the other team feel they can ever get back in the game. Especially closing out each half. Regardless of the score.

What Chiles did, basically ruined the afterglow of the game for me. That may sound absurd to say and sour grapes, but think of it another way. What he did was take the foot off the pedal, and it has to be a team attitude not to ever do that no matter what.

You can't sort of take over a game. It has to be a relentless attitude that you build by never once allowing that mind set to slip away. That's how you assert it for the times you simply have to have to.

What I have loved about this team is the way the defense has set the tone of play. 60 minutes, and no plays off. Every player, every moment in the game. Not ever playing a play half-***.

It wasn't that he fumbled. It was how he did it, and why. The team was ahead 42 points. Less than 3 min to play. Nothing on earth to be gained by anything he could have done other than protected the ball, protecting the hard earned 3 pts given up, and every hard tackle and pursuit given the whole game.

And yet, to me, that was just as important a time in a game to not let your guard done. To not do anything careless. In order to build the mindset that you are like steel and iron in a game. Unbendable. Unbreakable. Not once ever yielding. Anything.

If Colt were injured and we were 2 pts behind and trying to get in position for a winning field goal, then fine. But this was about Pride, and it was about developing a Killer Instinct, and it was about this defense getting to the point that giving up 3, 6 or 9 or 10 points is very significant. Because we have to do that if we are to take the field with the aim that we are going to control the whole game with anyone in the Big 12.

It was why I felt the 11-play goal line stand was so critical. It did not make any difference in the outcome of that game, but it can make a difference in being champions this year. I thought it was one of the most significant series of downs ever played. There is no limit what that series of plays did for this entire season. And today, I had the same feeling when the first half was closed out with no last-minutes drives allowed. Just the opposite. And only 3 pts.

It mattered all the world to me that we gave up only 3 pts and did not let Arkansas get anything in the closing minutes of each half. Period. I'd rather we have won 9 to 3. And not turned the ball over.

I mean... I can't express it enough. I am so pumped on this defense. I was totally into it today. And the whole team has to feel that way on both sides of the ball. It's as if the entire team at all times is playing in a manner to deny the other team any possible offensive opportunity. Complete shutdown.

I want that mindset. I would feel better if I knew Chiles simply thinks now, after the game, "I let the defense and the team down. Those guys give up nothing. No time. No place. It was complete shutdown. And I just layed it out there for the guy to pick up an easy 6. Twice as many points as our entire defensive effort yielded the whole game. That will never happen again."

Then I'm okay.
 
hopefully we won't be in a situation where Chiles has to come in for an injured Colt and play for a substantial amount of time.

(knocks on wood)
 
As I mentioned in a previous post he was promised to get a shot. He has had his shots and it did not work out. Time for something to give, one way or another. QB limbo is not working out. The Kinne transfer now bares down on us like a summer sun.
 
Chiles wants to play QB and Chiles family wants him at QB. After some time and effort, Mack and co. have somehow convinced him on the "Q" package which includes some WR and very ocassionally RB to go along with QB. But watch his routes at WR. He ain't no WR either. Not quick off the ball, poor route cuts, telegraphed route, and doesn't position well (at least at this early point in his WR development). Part of this is his lack of reps at "other positions" b/c he is continuing 100% of his QB reps.

To be fair, his passing has improved alot. Last year, he couldn't even complete 25% his passes in pre-game drills. This year, he completes more than 75% of them. Last year, he was something like 1 for 9 passing in game play. This year, he is much better, although it has been in mop up duty and against pretty poor competition.

All in all, he is no QB. At least not a good QB for an elite D-1 school and as mentiond, his time is running out quickly. His feet are not as quick for a QB as many and his passing is very below average. Right now, Colt is the man and Garrett Gilbert looms large for the future.

Personally, I've stated before on this board that I'd like to see him get some reps at RB. He is fast, strong and can run downhill effectively. However, it is alleged that his family has made it clear to Mack that they do not want him at RB because of the pounding that comes along with the position. Too bad, he is running out of options. Th team is getting very loaded at alot of positions including WR and safety.

The Melton reference is not completely off-base (great athlete - no fit - no home).
 
I sure hope he is studying hard and completing his classes at a good clip. That could end up being his bread and butter without so much as a legit shot at the pro's. I hope this is not the case (that he won't get a shot) and that something happens one way or another to where he raises the eyebrows of scouts and teams.

I think it needs to be stressed that I nor anybody here wants this kid to fail. Not one bit. We want him to be successful, happy and kick some ***. Be it in the QB role or something else we want John Chiles to kick ***. So far he is not doing that at the QB spot. I don't care where he finds success, offense or defense. I just want him to find it and soon if possible.

Nobody wants him to transfer (I hope) or for him to feel alienated or as a failure. Many players switch positions to great success. Look no further than Henry Melton on the team now and Tony Hills a couple of years ago. The latter is in the pros.

Hines Ward, Randle-El, the list goes on.
 
I think a big problem is he's still adjusting to not being able to dominate just on athletic ability. He's probably been the best athlete on the field every year since freshman year in high school. It will take an adjustment.

IMO, he's not a QB. He's a WR. Harris should be the back-up, Chiles should switch to WR/RB in a Harvin type role and really stand out to pro teams. He's big 6-2 210, and we all know the speed and athleticism. Maybe this season will make him realize he's a WR not a QB.
 
A couple of questions.

1. Someone posted that Chiles had one year of experience at QB in high school. Is this for real? Texas would actually recruit as a QB a kid with only one year at QB in high school?

2. If number 1 is correct, how in the world does he beat out Harris? Is it only because of injury? I'm guessing Harris has healed by now.

My observation is this. Because of our lack of a running game, Colt is running too much as it is. Sure 20 years ago, you could get away with having your QB run ten times a game, but now look at the longer schedule, the incredibly more athletic players on defense, and the violence of the collisions.

Shoot, last night Bradford got hit last night by TCU a couple of times, and one time early he was obviously stunned. (kind of limped away)

My conclusion is that it would be an absolute shock if Colt made it through the season without missing at least half of a game due to a minor injury.

And the coaches are sitting on this? With a potential one or two loss team at stake?

Wow! Unbelievable.
 
If Colt keeps running, there is a significant chance he will get hurt at some point in the season, no matter now many muscles he has added. The coaches apparently realize that Chiles can't run the same passing offense that Colt does, and I don't think a run based offense can possibly keep pace with all the spread offenses in the Big 12. So, I would like to see Harris get more grooming as the number 2, with Chiles still available in the Q package with Harris.

EDIT (OT)--from a Statesman article discussing Colt's Heisman chances, the reporter asks Shipley about Colt's speed:

"He's deceptively fast," Shipley said.

Deceptively faster than Shipley?

"I don't know if he's that deceptive," the receiver said.
 
You can't be more deceptively fast than Ghost.


Can someone who thinks Chiles has superior athletic ability please just show me one play since his time at Texas that he displayed this ability?
 
For a "running" QB, he sure didn't make many guys miss yesterday. Seems like he managed to get into open-field 1-on-1 situations several times, and he usually went down at first contact.
 
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