Changes made on Campus but the Eyes of Texas stays
- Thread starter PecosBill
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First step? Jesus.
I hope the AA students meet some kind of eligibility requirements.
That's true. The second step depends on the "stepper". It will either be:
1) The puppets stepping out the door
OR
2) The donors money flying out the door.
Imagine that! They want more. the ransom will never cease
.
I am a self-proclaimed sunshine pumper- Except after the back to back season opening losses to Maryland or the stretch of Sam INT's. Hell even during my school years during David Mc era I was convinced before each season we were going to win it all. Wait there was 3-66 vs UCLA. Oh and I have tried to forget the Char-lee years. OK so I am mostly a sunshine pumper.
But today I am very happy with how this has played out. We get to keep our Eyes. The changes all seem fair and reasonable to me. I didn't know the history of RLM until researching it over the last month but never did well in a class I took in that damn building anyway.
And most of all, I am glad that this progress and these changes all took place through discussions that didn't get played out in social media. Hell if Overshown had kept his trap shut it would have been great.
For all of you saying you are done and you're never giving another penny and never going to another game- Don't let the door hit you in the ***! Maybe the beer line will be shorter without you there.
But today I am very happy with how this has played out. We get to keep our Eyes. The changes all seem fair and reasonable to me. I didn't know the history of RLM until researching it over the last month but never did well in a class I took in that damn building anyway.
And most of all, I am glad that this progress and these changes all took place through discussions that didn't get played out in social media. Hell if Overshown had kept his trap shut it would have been great.
For all of you saying you are done and you're never giving another penny and never going to another game- Don't let the door hit you in the ***! Maybe the beer line will be shorter without you there.
Dude this ALL got played out over social media.
The original demands (some would say extortion) definitely did, as did Overshown's stupid tweet or IG post. But I don't think any of the discussions, negotiations, decisions on which way this would turn out have leaked as they worked to a resolution or as TH calls it the first step (bad choice of words). I think all of that has been kept under wraps.
It is nice to be a sunshine pumper. Even better to be a realist.
MajesticII
1,000+ Posts
You know **** well none of the players will not stay on the field for 'The Eyes'.....All the blacks will run off the field, and "to support them" the white guys will too...
If any do stay to sing The Eyes there will be division in the locker room ....Herman has ruined a huge tradition at UT....FIRE HIM now with cause, because we will be firing him soon enough. We might as well try to dodge the buy out.
If any do stay to sing The Eyes there will be division in the locker room ....Herman has ruined a huge tradition at UT....FIRE HIM now with cause, because we will be firing him soon enough. We might as well try to dodge the buy out.
My take is that a “Where does this end” may have been established. If that is not the case then like others I would be done as well.
I have some optimism because there seems to have been a reasonable resolution negotiated. I don’t like how it came down — the extortion — and I have lost all respect for Mr. Sellout, Tom Herman. (Truth be told, there wasn’t much respect left.)
This is not happening on the national level (any reasonable resolution) as BLM continues to threaten violence and some on the Left are ignorantly still pushing for the defunding of the police.
The only reason to defund the police is to create anarchy. And the reason to create anarchy is for the purpose of changing our system of government...to Communism. But, I digress.
Maybe a line in the sand has been drawn. Hey, one can hope...
NJlonghorn
2,500+ Posts
For over a decade, people have been asking the University to take some of these steps, most notably removing the RL Moore name from campus. Those requests fell on deaf ears. It is inexcusable that nothing happened until a group of kids with notoriety and leverage decided to take a stand. Props to them -- even if they deserve push-back for trying to take things too far.
The bottom line is that threatening to refuse to play football was effective. You may not like it, but that was what it took to make changes that obviously needed to happen.
The bottom line is that threatening to refuse to play football was effective. You may not like it, but that was what it took to make changes that obviously needed to happen.
NJlonghorn
2,500+ Posts
Also, have any of you considered the possibility that Herman actually agreed with the kids, as opposed to selling out?
BevoJoe
10,000+ Posts
Keeping "The Eyes" was my main concern for reasons I've already expressed. As for the other items of change, such as:
Statues: I don't particularly like statues of people who were not either employed as professors or attended the University and did great things or became a great scientist and the like. But then again, I don't pay much attention to them. There are a couple of statues to be put up like the first African American student. That's fine, but will the first Native American, Hispanic and Asian students at UT also have a statue? We have to be equitable with this.
Naming Buildings: Just call them what they are. For example, when I was a student, the McCombs School of Business was just the BEB, short for Business and Economics Building and the Graduate School of Business. The pompous naming exercise seems to have started with the Perry-Castañeda Library maybe earlier. We had the Sciences and Math building and so on. They weren't named after individuals. Some dorms were named for folks. Remove the Dorms and Campus Housing names and, just use numbers like Dorm #1, Dorm #2, and and so on but not names.
Statues: I don't particularly like statues of people who were not either employed as professors or attended the University and did great things or became a great scientist and the like. But then again, I don't pay much attention to them. There are a couple of statues to be put up like the first African American student. That's fine, but will the first Native American, Hispanic and Asian students at UT also have a statue? We have to be equitable with this.
Naming Buildings: Just call them what they are. For example, when I was a student, the McCombs School of Business was just the BEB, short for Business and Economics Building and the Graduate School of Business. The pompous naming exercise seems to have started with the Perry-Castañeda Library maybe earlier. We had the Sciences and Math building and so on. They weren't named after individuals. Some dorms were named for folks. Remove the Dorms and Campus Housing names and, just use numbers like Dorm #1, Dorm #2, and and so on but not names.
William Bush
25+ Posts
Well, the weed part was fairly common back in the day.
You mean all the virtue-signaling students that attended the university since 2008 didn’t fix the problem?
But we had the best leadership: Powers, etc. Can we claw back some of their income?
"Today is a great first step." I saw this first in Tom Herman's response to the announced changes.
Yes, Google is your friend. He defined the UT mathematics program and was a professor here for 49 years. UT didn't even admit the first black student until 1950 which was to the law school and he didn't teach his first black student until he was 70+ yes SEVENTY plus years old. Almost all teachers who grew up in Texas at that time had similar views. Was it right? NO! Should you erase his accomplishments at UT because he grew up when and where he did? NO!! Where does this stop?
Except for Malcom X at UT, he gets a student lounge named after him.
FWHORN
10,000+ Posts
If that is all you got from google, you are doing it wrong.
Try again and this time actually read his racist rants, his anti Semitism, his anti women statements and straight up white supremacist views that he held even after he was forced to teach black students. He wasn’t a good person and naming a building after him is not a way to honor his “accomplishments.”
Horns11
10,000+ Posts
A better question is why people today don't feel that applying just enough moral decency to be anti-racist matters. The "where does this stop?" mantra was the same exact one for those who jeered the Brown and Sweatt SC decisions all those years ago.
There is no "stop." The building still exists and will the university will continue to be first-rate for teaching STEM and other areas.
The part you forget is without the work he did this university would probably not be a first rate stem university. You think it all would have just happened anyway.
Yes, he had racist views and so did the majority of everyone eles in Texas at the time. Are we to eliminate over half of our Texas historical accomplishments because they had stupid racists views?
He had a higher % of female doctoral students than the rest of the US at the time. The antisemitism has not been proven and just heresay. He had friends and colleagues he talked positively about and wrote papers with who were Jewish.
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zuckercanyon
2,500+ Posts
Just wait, it’ll get better. They’ll want UT to play that “Black National Anthem “ that the NFL has agreed to...,
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