BYU

[MajesticII]

Wonder if Big 12 would consider bringing in BYU as a football only member since they don't play on Sunday ??? Big TV crowd across the nation.
Coastal Carolina would be a solid school for Football, Baseball, and maybe Basketball and add a region for TV.

 

[Badass]

Wonder if Big 12 would consider bringing in BYU as a football only member sicne they don't play on Sunday ??? Big TV crowd across the nation.
Coastal Carolina would be a solid school for Football, Baseball, and maybe Basketball and add a region for TV.

I’m watching BYU too ... looking good right now

 

[SabreHorn]

Wonder if Big 12 would consider bringing in BYU as a football only member

The Big XII has two Christian schools, plus the State of Oklahoma has produced more Baptist preachers than Baylor. OU & oSu are part of the Bible belt as is Tech.

Ain't happening.

 

[LHABSOB]

I bet Cincy is looking for a Power 5 landing spot. It would give WVU a regional rival.

 

[ViperHorn]

If the Big XII admits directional or city schools Texas should just walk away. Any of the other Power 5 conferences will bend over backwards to land Texas.

 

[SabreHorn]

THE ONLY SCHOOLS WORTH HAVING WILL BE GOTTEN BY RAIDING ANOTHER P5 CONFERENCE!

If you want to expand, then first "want" a new commissioner, someone that knows how to "play the game" rather than grab his ankles. Someone that realizes what KornFairy & Chuckie NeinASS are, and ignores their constant calls.

There are good partners, who are unhappy where they are, but it will cost some of them a lot of money to move. Others, not so much.

Expansion of the Big XII is NOT in our best interest to expand, Texas and OU sells on TV. Clemson sells on TV, nobody else in the ACC does. Michigan & Ohio State sell on TV; none of the rest of BigTen does. USC sells on TV, the rest of PAC does not. ND sells on TV.

You have two of the top seven draws with the TV contracts in the near future. Leave it alone.

 

[Creek]

We do not want BYU in the conference---BYU's 1 Stars will beat Texas 4 stars pretty much most of the time. They do it with the 3 D"s.
Discipline, Dedication and Determination.

 

[rick mueller]

We do not want BYU in the conference---BYU's 1 Stars will beat Texas 4 stars pretty much most of the time. They do it with the 3 D"s.
Discipline, Dedication and Determination.

And guys in the trenches who are 25 and 26 years old.

 

[WorsterMan]

My .02:

HELL NO to BYU in the Big XII.

 

[HoffHorn]

All I know is BYU is consistent and “brings it every time” ( unlike us). Scrutinize the Mormons all you want but they’re the team that dropped Manny Diaz on the Tar-Mac!

QB is no joke! And will be drafted ahead of Sam.....because WE HAVE ZERO DEVELOPMENT!

that’s all!

 

[BevoJoe]

If we were to add anyone, AZ State and U of A, or maybe ASU and Utah, or Utah and Colorado. Or, on the other hand....hell, I have no idea.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

We do not want BYU in the conference---BYU's 1 Stars will beat Texas 4 stars pretty much most of the time. They do it with the 3 D"s.
Discipline, Dedication and Determination.

3 Ds plus an A: Age.

 

[mb227]

I’m watching BYU too ... looking good right now

Was I the only one asking myself whether Manny _iaz was moonlighting as a DC for Central Florida last night?

 

[slowrider]

Adding any team to the Big 12 has to be a business decision. That means to me, “Will an addition/s increase the TV contracts enough to offset the dilution of revenue?”. If so, how much and will that justify long term goals for the 10 members. If not, ride it out and pocket the money.

 

[SabreHorn]

Adding any team to the Big 12 has to be a business decision. That means to me, “Will an addition/s increase the TV contracts enough to offset the dilution of revenue?”. If so, how much and will that justify long term goals for the 10 members. If not, ride it out and pocket the money.

Exactly, and the only teams out there that fit this description are already in a P5 conference, BUT not all P5 teams fit that model. Clemson & FSU are still really pissed off that Swofford admitted Pitt, ND Lite, Syr-excuse, none of whom any conference wanted, and none of whom brought anything to the table. That's what started Clemson, FSU, & eventually GT to start looking around.

GT was attractive only because while it has no following, it was in the heart of the SEC, and as a sports fan, you haven't lived until you experience a horrible hotdog and the world's greasiest fries at The Varsity.

 

[Statalyzer]

So we want a big name team in the conference, but not any team we're scared might beat us?

I think that leaves a list of 0 possible teams to consider.

 

[SabreHorn]

So we want a big name team in the conference, but not any team we're scared might beat us?

Read through the thread and didn't see that anywhere, BUT you are correct that there are ZERO teams to consider without raiding another P5 conference, and not all those teams are desirable.

 

[Chop]

Pros: national fan base, lots of tvs, similar love em/hate em dynamic as Notre Dame. Growing demographic fan base in Texas and elsewhere. Opens up more recruitment of big Polynesian linemen to us and other Big 12 schools. Their fans tend to be really nice folks—opposite of aOSU, Arkansas, Tech on a bad day, and other very hostile fans. They’re usually a top 25 team.

Cons: They have our number. See Stanford, UCLA, NC State, etc. No Sunday games will goof with the basketball tourney and baseball scheduling. Geographically it doesn’t make much sense—unless we ditch WV and maybe ISU, and add the two Arizona schools.

And for you single young men out there, their coeds and cheerleaders tend to be smokin’ hot; but let’s just say-you won’t get too far with them...

 

[SabreHorn]

Cons: we finally got rid of our cult in A&M and now you want to offer another cult?

Again, not no, but hell no

 

[MajorRules00]

I would love to see BYU in the PAC for culture clash. ALMOST as good as seeing the fighting aggy band march into berkeley.

 

[MajorRules00]

I bet Cincy is looking for a Power 5 landing spot. It would give WVU a regional rival.

If the conference could get big money for cincy (and one other northern school), I'd be in favor of it. But I don't see that happening. Which is too bad. Because the B12 South was my favorite division in CFB.

 

[dukesteer]

It seems like we keep rehashing the same discussion about adding mediocre teams, or teams with baggage. Teams like Houston, Arkansas, Cincinnati, BYU and even Nebraska. If an addition doesn’t enhance the conference, it really shouldn’t be considered. None of those teams bring much to the discussion. USC (for example) would, but I cannot believe that USC is anything but a pipe dream.

As others have said, beat OU and win the conference as structured now and there will usually be a path to the CFP.

 

[I_Dont_Exist]

It seems like we keep rehashing the same discussion about adding mediocre teams, or teams with baggage. Teams like Houston, Arkansas, Cincinnati, BYU and even Nebraska. If an addition doesn’t enhance the conference, it really shouldn’t be considered. None of those teams bring much to the discussion. USC (for example) would, but I cannot believe that USC is anything but a pipe dream.

As others have said, beat OU and win the conference as structured now and there will usually be a path to the CFP.

Texas and another team will join the PAC-12 before USC joins the Big 12.

 

[MajorRules00]

Texas and another team will join the PAC-12 before USC joins the Big 12.

If the money is right, I'm not opposed to taking two teams that aren't USC. Especially if they're north of the mason-dixon. Because that accomplishes two important goals: it brings the Big 12 back to twelve and resurrects the Big 12 South.

The problem with the conference, as it stands today, isn't that it sucks, or is full of crappy teams. The problem is the round-robin scheduling. That type of schedule is ALWAYS more difficult because the conference ends up cannibalizing each other every year. And, incredibly enough, while this is a much harder road to take, it's perceived as being somehow less difficult. Truly the worst of both worlds.

That's why I'm in favor of getting back to 12, pronto. It takes us to 8 conference games, and essentially allows all the teams to get an extra win each season. And that helps everybody out.

It also puts the Big 12 South division back together. Which traditionally was right there with the SEC West in terms of quality, drama, post-season importance, and entertainment.

So, IF THE MONEY IS RIGHT, I'm absolutely cool with Cincy and another north team being added to the mix. It would pad the middle-tier of the conference, allow us to get back to 8 conference games (and 1 more win each season) and bring back the best division in CFB, the Big 12 South. Which, IMO is the best possible place for Texas football in the coming decades.

 

[SabreHorn]

Cincy is one job opening from being just another city school, with no following, no appeal, and a 5-6 or 7-4 season.

He ain't staying in Cincinnati.

 

[MajorRules00]

Cincy is one job opening from being just another city school, with no following, no appeal, and a 5-6 or 7-4 season.

He ain't staying in Cincinnati.

Since no USCs or Notre Dames are out there, it makes sense that B12 expansion criteria shouldn't be based on super-huge followings or traditional household names. Those types of programs just aren't on the board.

Having said that, what other qualities do available teams possess? Or to be more succinct, what can those other teams do for US?

Are they in a recruiting-rich State? Do they exist in a part of the country with millions of people? Are they in a State that has a lot of college football fans? Would expansion into said State plant the B12 flag into another conference's territory?

Obviously, money is going to be the 1st factor for expansion. But, IF THE MONEY IS THERE, the above factors are all quite important.

The problem with current B12 leadership is that they are stuck on the idea of getting top-tier teams like Clemson, FSU, etc., to join. But the Big 12 doesn't need any more top teams. We've already got two. Adding another traditional powerhouse would only hurt OU and UT.

So, again, IF THE MONEY IS THERE, our B12 expansion needs to be geared towards helping OU and UT get to the playoff every year. And, to a lesser extent, making the B12 a stronger, more stable, more interesting league. Getting back to 12 accomplishes both of those goals.

With CBS losing the SEC in 2025, there's a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY for the B12 to cut a deal with CBS for lots of bucks. IMO the Big 12 South could be a very exciting anchor for such a deal. With the expansion teams in the north being used to get the Big 12 South over, as well as additional eyeballs, recruiting, pushing our borders into other conferences, etc.

 

[SabreHorn]

The problem with current B12 leadership is that they are stuck on the idea of getting top-tier teams like Clemson, FSU, etc., to join.

There is NO "leadership" in Las Colinas. There needs to be a house cleaning as surely as we need a house cleaning in our coaching staff.

Las Colinas allowed Bowelsby & NeinASS to hump the puppy on Clemson & FSU. Papers on the table waiting, while those two morons were chasing the Catholics.

Who in business invites their biggest competitor for a new market to sit in the strategic management sessions?

 

[MajorRules00]

There is NO "leadership" in Las Colinas. There needs to be a house cleaning as surely as we need a house cleaning in our coaching staff.

Las Colinas allowed Bowelsby & NeinASS to hump the puppy on Clemson & FSU. Papers on the table waiting, while those two morons were chasing the Catholics.

Who in business invites their biggest competitor for a new market to sit in the strategic management sessions?

Unreal. To allow those two schools to slip out of our grasp is outrageous. Simply outrageous.

 

[SabreHorn]

You have no idea how outrageous it was, and NOBODY held them accountable. With someone capable in that office, the Big XII would have had those two, possibly GT and been in a fight for ND.

 

[Creek]

How does all this effect how good UT is?