BO actually said

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Horn6721

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"We will not be sending US troops back into combat but I had asked my national security team to prepare a range of other options that could help support Iraq security forces..”And I’ll be reviewing those options in the days ahead I do want to be clear though. This is not solely or even primarily a military challenge
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hey BO must have a golf game and then fund raisers already scheduled so it will be DAYS before he can put his brilliant decisive mind to the issue. Just hang on Iraq.

Not solely or even primarily a military challenge?
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of iraqi soldiers being captured and made to dig their own graves.
 
If Rome is burning I'm not sure I'd advocate running in with buckets of water.

The other thread has shown that there is no easy answer to this dilemma. ISIS though not completely supported by the locals may be more supported than the Iraqi government. Our response needs to be measured and deliberate rather than a Ride of the Valkeries moment (reference Apocalypse Now).

Our military is stretched beyond its limits and war weariness within the ranks must be near an all-time high not to mention the cost of extra military engagement.

Incidentally, why are you advocating for a rush to engagement here yet were adamantly against the Libya air strikes? What's the difference in the situation? To me, we were supporting regime change there (whether bad or good) but here we'd likely be bombing local populations that are at least compliscent with ISIS.
 
Husker
have you read any of the news reports?
And IF we are going to something wouldn't the most humane timing be to do it when we might be able to stop them or maybe prevent them from forcing iraqi soldiers to dig their own graves or maybe stop them from killing even more Christians>?

IF we are going o do something shouldn't we do it before they take over the entire country?
 
ISIS has taken over the Sunni dominated areas, in a country that was predominantly Shiite. Maliki's lack of "inclusion" of the Sunni's into the political process has left him open to this. ISIS won't find the mid-Southern parts of Iraq so welcoming to their rule. If they go East they'll run into Iranian Republican Guard who is helping out the Maliki government.

Essentially, this is a situation Maliki created and he needs to fix. There is nothing we can do to permanently fix this and at this point we'd simply be fighting Maliki's battles for him.
 
Husker
I don't disagree with you. MY post was about BO saying he'd look things over in the days ahead
NOW is when the killing and atrocities are happening
not after he gets back from golf and fundraising.


do you think at this point most of the problems in the world should be solved by the countries involved instead of always looking to the US?
 
Horn6721-

There is nothing we can do at the moment to stop ISIS activities. Simply stated, we don't have the intelligence to know who/where to attack. Even McCain has stated as much. At this point our best option at the moment is for the Iraqi forces to regroup and retake some lost ground.

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I don't think the issues in iraqui/ syria/ yemen//Somalia etc etc are us beating war drums.
And we may have more reason to help in Iraq than the others.
I just don't understand why BO said , in the midst of the horror going on, that he'd take a look in the days to come.
Don't you think the world took that to mean the US would do something sometime, is days to come?
I frankly wish he would have said this ain't our problem.

I do agree with BO that problems should be solved by the sovereign nation in which the problems occur
 
If reports are true we have several hundred contractors
there as well as civilian workers and even State Dept people

BUT if the new Dem line is that all sovereign nations should solve their own problems then we can ship these thousands of other nations children back and let them solve it.

right?
 
You can argue all day long if we should or shouldn't have been there in the first place in Iraq. I really think people are missing the big picture. This isn't a situation if we leave them alone they will leave us alone. They're at war with us and it won't stop until they have the head as trophies of every non-muslim on the planet. We aren't going to stop them from trying. We can control them if we are aggressive. We have to be on offense. This is something that will never end and we have to get use to that. This is our way of life and nothings going to change that.,,,,,,,,, UNLESS we do nothing and allow them to get so big that we can't stop them. Then we will have another way of life and that way won't be pretty. We are forced to fight and sitting back and letting them grow will be a disaster for our kids and grandkids and on and on.
 
At some point in time, there is going to be a huge war between Islamic extremist and the rest of the world. It will take an almost complete wipeout of a population or it will never stop, and I am not too confident that it would stop at that point.
 
NJ.......I never hear any "moderate muslims" speak up to condemn Islamic atrocities. Are there really any of them"? I don't think you can find enough of them to field a basketball team. If they do exist, they are most certainly cowards as they keep silent.
 
NJ, I am not certain to any degree that it will happen, but I don't think the world is going to continue to stand idly by and let a small group of extremist continue to run amok. You can be as politicallycorrect as you wish they are Muslim, and they are extreme. If they were Catholic and doing the same I would denounce it the same. As stated by others no one in the Muslim world seems to have any desire to condemn their actions. I can understand not wanting to speak out if I lived in the Middle East, but we can't get Muslim leaders in the US to speak out agains them. Fear.
 
FNL
'At some point in time, there is going to be a huge war between Islamic extremist and the rest of the world"

some can say this is extreme until you look at a map and see what is going on in so many places

Today Saudi Arabia told the USA and UK to back off Iraq.Like Saudi is doing so much to stop the slaughter
 
Horn6721,

Saudia Arabia and several other GCC members are funding ISIS. This is a struggle between them and Iran over which country will be the dominant force in the Middle East going forward. Striking at ISIS is, in effect, supporting Iran ---- the very country that we've been at odds with, the country that is supposedly developing a nuclear capability, one leg of the "axis of evil."

Bremer and Bush screwed the pooch by the de-Baathification of Iraq, marginalizing the Sunnis to the point that they are ripe to support a force like ISIS. Nori al-Maliki has been turning the knife in deeper ever since. Not only that, but he shunned the President and his advisors during the October, 2011 conference call regarding whether the US could keep a token force there, signaling that he wanted to go it alone. Then, brazenly, a few days after we left he issued an arrest warrant for his former vice president, Sunni Tariq al-Hashimi.

Now he comes back to us, cap in hand, hoping for assistance to beat the Sunnis. Screw him. He made his bed. He had a great chance to put together a coalition that was inclusive but instead he listed to his Iranian masters.

And, while I'm at it, screw John McCain, too. The old geezer has been wrong AT EVERY TURN regarding Iraq over the last 12 years. Why the **** does he get to bloviate all over the country as if he's some kind of wise man?
 
BI
There is no doubt Bush made mistakes. NO doubt.
and You Dems ( Oh wait, you are a libertarian ,wink wink) can continue to heap all the blame on Bush

How exactly does that help the situation NOW?
Notice my OP is dated a week ago .
After BO got done rund raising and playing golf he held a news conference with stern words
and he has held 2 more since.
But what actually has he done?

I wish he' have a presser and say we aren't going to do anything. It is Iraq's problem and sovereign nations have to solve their own problems.( hasn't he said that before?)
But to engage in pussyfooting with terrorists is not doing anything constructive and many think is actually destructive.
 
When is Obama going to end the drought in the s w U.S? In his quest for the office he was deemed to be a god.
 
For those who keep saying it is only a minority of muslims who are committing the terror all over the world.

Do you know how many that really is? Estimates range from 150 million to 185 million
that is a lot of crazed murdering muslims. Take a look at a world map sometime
 
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