Bill Clinton's role in HC Campaign

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As a Bill Clinton supporter for a long time I've been very disappointed with his behavior in this primary campaign. While I do expect for him to support his wife, some of his attacks on Obama have been incredibly vicious and even false and misleading.

He's gotten so bad where some of the criticisms of him for years by those who hate him seem to be ringing true. He's not winning any points by me and I know a lot of people are really turned off by his behavior. It will be interesting to see if this affects the dems in November.

Any one else have any opinions on his role?
 
I too am a Clinton lackey from way back. Frankly I do not think that he can say or do anything that will, at the end of the day, cause someone not to vote for her. She is the one that needs to look and act Presidential right now; not him.

Once the primaries are over and the two nominees are set, Bill can continue to be the attack dog, she can ignore the R nominee and stay positive, and leave the R nominee shadow boxing a former President who remains wildly popular with the Democratic base and with Independents.

These two people have been running and winning elections for 30 years. And now that the election has clearly started to turn to domestic issues, rather than the single issue of the mess in the Mideast, the Clintons are in the position that they want to be.

If Bill Richardson is her running mate (a Hispanic that is non threatening to Whites), then the states that Bill carried in the West (New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Arizona) are now in the too close to call/lean Dem catagory.

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he's trash just like his wife

God help us if the Clintons get back into power

That said I dont think she gets the nomination
 
I will vote for whomever the Dem nominee is this time around, but Bill's role and the tone that Hillary has taken in the last couple of weeks - since Iowa - has really lowered my regard for how she's campaigning. It's just a reminder of what I don't want to see. Hillary really needs to be able to make her own case for herself and have Bill take a more distinguished stance. It's pretty clear now that his positive effect will only manifest if he stands back and lets people reflect on the positives, not have to grapple with his diversionary antics.

I can see how the fight for the nomination will be very different than the fight for the presidency. If Hillary wins the Dem nomination, it will be a lot easier to just hammer the GOP nominee on major policy considerations that favor Dems in the general population and look a lot better doing it than what we're seeing in the intra-party battle.

However, the last couple weeks definitely have strengthened by support of Obama over Clinton.

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As a general rule, when given a neutral object, people will attribute their preformed feelings about someone onto that neutral image. With Bill, for some that is positive and others it is disgust. But it only hurts when those who maintain a positive regard from the past are subjected to these recent shenanigans.

Compared to Bush, my recollection of Clinton is very positive. In the last two weeks, my scales have been tilted away from that.

I say 'distinguished' because, to me, showing restraint translates into being in control which is a trait I look for in leaders. So even idiots can look more distinguished, relatively speaking.

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I also think that Bill is subtly playing the race card. Just a minute ago I heard him say well it wouldn't be a surprise if Obama won, so did Jesse Jackson twice in the 80s. Nice to link Obama and Jesse Jackson. Make Obama the "black" candidate. I'm a dem and if repubs were doing this it would be blasted by everyone.
 
He has pulled a Jimmy Carter. Say what you will about Carter's presidency, the man built up a lot of good will as a result of humanitarian pursuits. Then pissed it all away last spring with a book about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

If Bill Clinton's reputation wasn't already in the gutter, it is now. In a short space of time, he has succeeded in alienating even the people who liked him and defended him.
 
Obama wins SC in a rout.

Not sure what that says about Bill Clinton's approach other than it didn't work.

It also looks like Edwards won more of the white vote than Hillary.
 
As a former HUGE supporter of Bill Clinton, even before he won his first primary, now I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on him if he was on fire.
 
This is the same Slick Willie he always was. Now he and his cohorts are pissing on a sympathetic Democrat instead of an unsympathetic Republican so Dems view it differently. But it's still playing tough against someone between him and the prize.
 
In fact, I think Obama is going to receive a larger % of the vote in SC than Hillary did in Michigan running virtually unnopposed.
 
Obama destroyed Hillary tonight. It really surprised me how badly he beat her. I hope the media doesn't turn the South Carolina primary into Obama winning because of the black vote. He won by a much larger margain than expected.

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I am proud of South Carolinians who sent a very very strong message to Bill and Hill that purposely distorting the words of your opponent does not work at least in SC.

Wouldn't it be great if voters everywhere sent the same message to politicians.

I disagree with McCain on many issues, and believe he would be the hardest Repub to beat, but I would relish a straight talking honest and positive campaign between McCain and Obama.
 
Let's be clear. The Shah, how he came to power, and the CIA have little to do with Carter being the worst president ever. These things explain why he did what he did re: the Shah, but in retrospect he should have done something different. Like he should have on a lot of things.

Worst. President. Ever.
 
Rather than continue to thread ****, I sent pms to the Carter people. Do either of you want to respond, or does your knowledge of world events begin around 1977?
 
I have never understood the right wing hatred of Hillary.

I did, however, understand the hatred of Bill. But over the past eight years, I largely forgot why we hated Bill so much. In the years since he left the Oval, he's done a lot to become something of an elder statesman, with his work on tsunami relief and such. And many of us just smile now when recalling the Monica thing, recalling Bill as a loveable scamp.

But now he's pissing all that away and reminding us all what we hated about him in the first place. He's a mendacious and mean-spirited opportunist, and I've come once again not to be able to stand him.
 
if Bill Clinton is this
"a mendacious and mean-spirited opportunist" for doing what he feels he needs to to win
what is obama? why is everyone forgetting what he did to Jack Ryan?
Of course obama supporters will say obama had nothing to do with it. Obama just benefited.
 
first thing this morning turned on the today show and what are they doing but railing on the Clintons (complete 180 from their prior discussions on the Clintons). I guess a lot of Dems are fed up with their win at all cost against other Dem's approach.
 
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