Big 12 officiating

[Hillcityhorn]

Not blaming the refs, but the big 12 refs have been screwing Texas for years. We all know that they want a big 12 team in CFP, so guess who is undefeated and coming to Austin??? Okie lite.
Hopefully, Sark and Co have this team to not only prepared to beat okie lite, but the refs too. If you don't believe me just YouTube 2015 game

 

[dukesteer]

It’s a real problem, and it has been for many years. With rare exceptions we get the short end of the stick in almost every game.

Last Saturday, the 1st Quarter non-call — that the receiver went out of bounds unforced — could have turned the game. Who knows, it might have been 35-0 early in the 2nd without that blown call.

It’s disgusting. Conversely, if you watch the Aggy games, isn’t it interesting that they seem to get their unfair share of the calls?

To me, these are not coincidences.

 

[dukesteer]

Someone known as SH will chime in, in 3, 2, 1…

 

[nashhorn]

Not SH but I have to say we go into last half of season undefeated I guarantee we get the calls to assist our getting into CFP, guarantee it. It’s all about getting B12 into playoffs. Just mo.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

It’s a real problem, and it has been for many years. With rare exceptions we get the short end of the stick in almost every game.

Last Saturday, the 1st Quarter non-call — that the receiver went out of bounds unforced — could have turned the game. Who knows, it might have been 35-0 early in the 2nd without that blown call.

It’s disgusting. Conversely, if you watch the Aggy games, isn’t it interesting that they seem to get their unfair share of the calls?

To me, these are not coincidences.

Look at the box score from Saturday, OU had 2 penalties for 15 yards. Holding was finally called late in the 4th quarter. The most aggravating aspect is that the OU ********, including fanbase, just call us "crybabies" for stating the obvious!

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Holding was finally called late in the 4th quarter.

Can you show me a few obvious holds that wasn't called? Not arguing, but I only remember one that didn't get called.

 

[ViperHorn]

Not SH but I have to say we go into last half of season undefeated I guarantee we get the calls to assist our getting into CFP, guarantee it. It’s all about getting B12 into playoffs. Just mo.

A two loss team not named Alabama has no shot of getting into the CFP.

 

[dukesteer]

A two loss team not named Alabama has no shot of getting into the CFP.

Normally I would agree but this is a weird year. Does a two loss tOSU, GA, Clemson or Penn State not jump a one loss Cincinnati? I have to wonder.

 

[SabreHorn]

Vol,

I can recall nearly ten if not more. Damn near every time they tried to pass. What about the uncalled chop blocks?

I don't have time to go into it now, but consider this:

Donnie Duncan was appointed head of Big XII football operations after he went in and cried on Deloss' desk, much the same as he cried on Barry's desk to get a job at OU. Deloss refused to listen or accept what he was. I left Deloss with this, "He can & will embarrass you and the conference". HE DID!

Duncan appointed Walt Anderson head of football officials, when every HC and all knowledgeable football fans wanted Ken Faulkner, but Ken was too honest for Duncan. Enter Walt Anderson, dentist from Sugar Land, who played at Sam Houston State. Suddenly all our officials were fleeing to the SEC and being replaced by BigSky & MWC rejects, EXCEPT for a few dentist (Dan Romero from California, Novak from Colorado Springs, and the CFO of a company in Atlanta that specializes in financing dental equipment and another one in Omaha) - that's for starters. Steve U retires and so did Al Dowdell, leaving us with only two competent referees - Cooper Castleberry & Mike Defee, both of whom were saddled with crews that should have been doing junior high ball. Anderson convinces Bowelsby to give his job to Walleye Burks, who was only tolerable because of people like Reggie Smith from Philadelphia. Walleye is just promoting more trash upstream from the BigSky.

FWIW, Anderson had Mike Defee do the Sam/SFA game and put Novak as referee of the 45-35 OU game in his first major college game.

Bowelsby is too stupid to follow the money, but perhaps he doesn't want to.

 

[horninchicago]

If it’s true that the calls have favored ou, it doesn’t disprove what has been written since Saturday of ou being the preeminent program, not Texas.

But, y’all keep doing y’all, to borrow a brilliant phrase.

 

[SabreHorn]

HIC,

When the Big XII was announced, teh SWC officials thought they were auditioning for the new "Deloss Dodds Conference" and we got plenty of calls. Now they think they are auditioning for the SEC, with OU as the driving force. They are too dumb to know that Dr Boren retired.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

Can you show me a few obvious holds that wasn't called? Not arguing, but I only remember one that didn't get called.

3rd and 19, hail mary,( I swear OU is the luckiest team AKA sooner magic??)Also, WR pushed off, but that's pretty normal across all levels. Just watch a replay of game and it won't take you too long to see all the holding. Hell, just watch any Sooner game, their OL holds all the time. That's why they get stomped during CFP because holding is actually called when it is so obvious that they can't call it.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

If it’s true that the calls have favored ou, it doesn’t disprove what has been written since Saturday of ou being the preeminent program, not Texas.

But, y’all keep doing y’all, to borrow a brilliant phrase.

OU plays the narrative, they have no issue in holding, I'm sure their OL is taught to do it. If they only call it one time in 10 times, hey you got away with it 9 times, why not continue???
Sooners are cheaters and here's another brilliant phrase, "it is, what it is."

 

[NRHorn]

Can you show me a few obvious holds that wasn't called? Not arguing, but I only remember one that didn't get called.

Look at the UT DE , if you see the video on this crucial 4th down TD run- it appeared to be holding and if not and you continue to watch the video it was definitely a block in the back.
When Williams scored I immediately thought it would come back.

Here are 3 holds on that same play:

 

[HTownBevo]

Can you show me a few obvious holds that wasn't called? Not arguing, but I only remember one that didn't get called.

TCU was holding on 70% of their snaps.

 

[BornOrange0855]

If everyone believes that the Big XII officials favor the team or teams that are undefeated at some point in the season, all I can say is start winning all of your games Texas so all the crying and bellyaching about officials will cease. The officials will be biased towards you. Just like they were in 2004 on the BS pass interference call that went against Kansas in our favor. Sick of the whining and crying about poor old Texas and how we get the shaft. Its so aggyish. If you can't win a game when you are up 28-7 shame on you.

 

[NRHorn]

If everyone believes that the Big XII officials favor the team or teams that are undefeated at some point in the season, all I can say is start winning all of your games Texas so all the crying and bellyaching about officials will cease. The officials will be biased towards you. Just like they were in 2004 on the BS pass interference call that went against Kansas in our favor. Sick of the whining and crying about poor old Texas and how we get the shaft. Its so aggyish. If you can't win a game when you are up 28-7 shame on you.

I’m not saying that, what I stand behind was the play I illustrated.
The UT DE had an OU players left arm on his back and his right arm around his chest, when the DE pushed through the OU player pushed him to the ground from behind.
The R DT appears to be Shanghaied by two OU players with one clearly holding on . And the LDE appears to be held as well.
I am not claiming a conspiracy- only at the time of that play-
I screamed at the TV before the OU QB made it to the first down.
Missed call.

 

[Detective Shilala]

Is just like to see them call it once in a while when it’s REALLY obvious.

like on the 2nd qtr pass back play OU had that resulted in a 30 yard play on third down.

And if they call holding on one of our defensive lineman against OSu again ...

 

[OrangeShogun]

Look at the UT DE , if you see the video on this crucial 4th down TD run- it appeared to be holding and if not and you continue to watch the video it was definitely a block in the back.
When Williams scored I immediately thought it would come back.

Here are 3 holds on that same play:

That looks to me like a well blocked play. They didn't hold Brockermeyer, just pancaked him. The player you have circled on the right (Sorrell?) looks contorted in your freeze frame because he's being double teamed. I'm not a rules expert, but I don't think block in the back is a penalty at the LOS.
Even if there was holding, neither of those examples explains how Thompson totally whiffed in the hole, or why Foster is lolly-gagging from back-side pursuit.
Question: If in fact OU holds as often as stated, and since it's not considered a penalty by the refs, why aren't we employing that same tactic?

 

[horninchicago]

That looks to me like a well blocked play. They didn't hold Brockermeyer, just pancaked him. The player you have circled on the right (Sorrell?) looks contorted in your freeze frame because he's being double teamed. I'm not a rules expert, but I don't think block in the back is a penalty at the LOS.
Even if there was holding, neither of those examples explains how Thompson totally whiffed in the hole, or why Foster is lolly-gagging from back-side pursuit.
Question: If in fact OU holds as often as stated, and since it's not considered a penalty by the refs, why aren't we employing that same tactic?

Good point. Also, don't we all agree that holding or many other penalties could probably be called on every play?

 

[Run Pincher]

I'm certainly not one to be a conspiracy theorist, but you have to look at facts. I remember 2012 or 2013 someone posted an independent study showing who got the favorable calls and who didn't and I think it showed Texas got screwed more than all but 1 or 2 in all of FBS. I thought I saw it posted here, but it may have been elsewhere.

Point 2, no way 2015 okie lite was just incompetence. Point 3, look at some of the questionable calls in the TCU game. I pointed out the ball spotting constantly taking away from Texas and adding to TCU. I watched the end around to Worthy once again last night. He was definitely out on the 1, not the 2, it's as plain as day. If the ball is spotted on the 1 BR scores on 3rd down.

I simply have a hard time believing it's just incompetence when you do a deep dive.

I've also stated that our team has to learn how to ignore and overcome the bad calls, as well as our staff waking up and challenging when they can. I'm pretty sure where a runner is out is challengeable as I've seen a spot short of the 10 yrd marker challenged.

 

[horninchicago]

I'm certainly not one to be a conspiracy theorist, but you have to look at facts. I remember 2012 or 2013 someone posted an independent study showing who got the favorable calls and who didn't and I think it showed Texas got screwed more than all but 1 or 2 in all of FBS. I thought I saw it posted here, but it may have been elsewhere.

Point 2, no way 2015 okie lite was just incompetence. Point 3, look at some of the questionable calls in the TCU game. I pointed out the ball spotting constantly taking away from Texas and adding to TCU. I watched the end around to Worthy once again last night. He was definitely out on the 1, not the 2, it's as plain as day. If the ball is spotted on the 1 BR scores on 3rd down.

I simply have a hard time believing it's just incompetence when you do a deep dive.

I've also stated that our team has to learn how to ignore and overcome the bad calls, as well as our staff waking up and challenging when they can. I'm pretty sure where a runner is out is challengeable as I've seen a spot short of the 10 yrd marker challenged.

You need to settle down and go to Station One. You need a brisket fix.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

I'm certainly not one to be a conspiracy theorist, but you have to look at facts. I remember 2012 or 2013 someone posted an independent study showing who got the favorable calls and who didn't and I think it showed Texas got screwed more than all but 1 or 2 in all of FBS. I thought I saw it posted here, but it may have been elsewhere.

Point 2, no way 2015 okie lite was just incompetence. Point 3, look at some of the questionable calls in the TCU game. I pointed out the ball spotting constantly taking away from Texas and adding to TCU. I watched the end around to Worthy once again last night. He was definitely out on the 1, not the 2, it's as plain as day. If the ball is spotted on the 1 BR scores on 3rd down.

I simply have a hard time believing it's just incompetence when you do a deep dive.

I've also stated that our team has to learn how to ignore and overcome the bad calls, as well as our staff waking up and challenging when they can. I'm pretty sure where a runner is out is challengeable as I've seen a spot short of the 10 yrd marker challenged.

Wholeheartedly agree, especially the mentioned spot of Worthy end around,( late 4th question TCU game) our seats were at perfect spot to see that he was at the 1 yard line, not the 2 yard line! Speaking of challenging some of the spots, there's so many asst coaches on the staff, we need to dedicate someone to let Sark know when there are so egregious spots etc during the game. Some people on this board think this is "aggyish" to point out the OBVIOUS, we aren't "belly aching" and we definitely don't want Texas to lower their standards and apply the same tactics of cheating *** sooners.

 

[OrangeShogun]

we definitely don't want Texas to lower their standards and apply the same tactics of cheating *** sooners.

The refs are the rules experts on the field. If it's not considered a penalty by the rules experts on the field, how can it be considered cheating? Yeah, we sure wouldn't want to lower our standards, doing so might cause us to start winning games vs. OU, conference championships, make the play-offs, etc., etc., etc.

 

[nashhorn]

Sitting in NEZ you get a real good view of line play and I can attest there are numerous holding no calls - on both sides - but with my orange colored binoculars it is obvious to me it’s more on the ‘bad’ guys. I admit it is quite amusing when it is so obvious even my wife screams holding and it is not called. I hope that’s not too sexist a comment.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

The refs are the rules experts on the field. If it's not considered a penalty by the rules experts on the field, how can it be considered cheating? Yeah, we sure wouldn't want to lower our standards, doing so might cause us to start winning games vs. OU, conference championships, make the play-offs, etc., etc., etc.

Well, one flaw with your idea, if Texas starts applying the same tactics of holding, I'm pretty sure they will call Texas for Holding more often than not, so then what? Yes, sooners cheat, hell, their nick name implies cheating. So yes, cheating *** sooners.

 

[bystander]

Look at the UT DE , if you see the video on this crucial 4th down TD run- it appeared to be holding and if not and you continue to watch the video it was definitely a block in the back.
When Williams scored I immediately thought it would come back.

Here are 3 holds on that same play:

Looked to me like we absolutely filled the gap and our player flat out missed the tackle.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

That looks to me like a well blocked play. They didn't hold Brockermeyer, just pancaked him. The player you have circled on the right (Sorrell?) looks contorted in your freeze frame because he's being double teamed. I'm not a rules expert, but I don't think block in the back is a penalty at the LOS.
Even if there was holding, neither of those examples explains how Thompson totally whiffed in the hole, or why Foster is lolly-gagging from back-side pursuit.
Question: If in fact OU holds as often as stated, and since it's not considered a penalty by the refs, why aren't we employing that same tactic?

Why is Foster lolly-gagging from back-side pursuit?
Because that is what he does most of the time. Only thing is good at is waiting to make a big hit.
BUT that's not the point how the do those 3 obvious holds go uncalled?!?!

 

[OrangeShogun]

Well, one flaw with your idea, if Texas starts applying the same tactics of holding, I'm pretty sure they will call Texas for Holding more often than not, so then what? Yes, sooners cheat, hell, their nick name implies cheating. So yes, cheating *** sooners.

Your argument is based on supposition. The evidence indicates the refs do not consider OU's blocking techniques to be illegal. If Texas chooses not to employ similar blocking techniques (again, that are evidently not considered a penalty) then we're simply putting ourselves at a functional disadvantage.

 

[Run Pincher]

You need to settle down and go to Station One. You need a brisket fix.

A Margherita fix would be better. Or a Live Oak wheat will work.