Bernie Sanders leading...

I thought it was right-wing crazies who were afraid of the mark of the beast? Maybe your son is way to the right of you and you don't realize it.
 
This was basically how Obama's first mammoth "Stimulus Bill" worked (~ $1T)

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Can't seem to find a linkable version but SNL's skit of an HRC campaign commercial in which she morphs into Bernie Sanders was hilarious. It's well worth the 2 minutes of viewing if you do a simple google or bing search.
 
HRC's biggest challenge will be to convince Bernie's supporters to show up at the polls in November. The anti-establishment fervor on the left is almost as great as on the right.

I heard Barney Frank state that Sander's has been a genius to convince voters that he's an "outsider" after spending 25 years on Capitol Hill.
 
Seattle Husker said:
HRC's biggest challenge will be to convince Bernie's supporters to show up at the polls in November. The anti-establishment fervor on the left is almost as great as on the right.

I heard Barney Frank state that Sander's has been a genius to convince voters that he's an "outsider" after spending 25 years on Capitol Hill.
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I don't consider myself a democrat, and I don't belong to the party, however, I am extremely liberal, so they're pretty much my only logical choice. The green party, whom I feel that I agree with more, doesn't have the support or popularity to truly have a chance in any kind of election.

If this was any other presidential election year I'd probably just end up writing in a vote, but because of what's at stake I will vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I would hope that any Bernie supporters that really are liberals would vote for her. I don't see how they could possibly sit back and be ok with the thought of Donald Trump running our country.

But then again, he leads in these national polls where you can sit at your computer and click a button, yet is so far behind her in the delegate count. :(
 
TheWalkingHorn said:
I don't consider myself a democrat, and I don't belong to the party, however, I am extremely liberal, so they're pretty much my only logical choice. The green party, whom I feel that I agree with more, doesn't have the support or popularity to truly have a chance in any kind of election.

If this was any other presidential election year I'd probably just end up writing in a vote, but because of what's at stake I will vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I would hope that any Bernie supporters that really are liberals would vote for her. I don't see how they could possibly sit back and be ok with the thought of Donald Trump running our country.

But then again, he leads in these national polls where you can sit at your computer and click a button, yet is so far behind her in the delegate count. :(
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I'm a Kasich supporter, consider myself conservative, and I abhor Donald Trump enough that it won't bother me if Hillary Clinton beats him. As bad as she is, she isn't an embarrassment like he is.

Nevertheless, I can see a liberal rationale to allow Trump to become President and even vote for Trump. The reason why is that there are different kinds of liberals and different reasons why people self-identify as liberals.

Some people are liberals mostly because of social issues and identity politics. They support whatever agenda that would piss off religious people, favor racial and gender equality (at least the idea of it - most could never articulate a policy agenda that implemented that), and want to make sure they're as politically correct as possible and could never be called a racist, sexist, homophobe, etc.

Of course, this is the Democratic Party's favorite kind of liberal for two reasons. First, their choice is always going to be very clear. Even a moderate Republican will never outflank them on the left. Second, the Democrats don't have to anger any special interest group with money or power to please them. They're the Democrats' answer to the religious Right - just a free set of voters who have nowhere to go except their party. If you're one of these voters, Trump is the ultimate Devil, and you'd never consider voting for him.

However, there are liberals who are motivated by structural economics and are indifferent or even somewhat conservative on social issues. They lament the loss of manufacturing and unionized blue collar jobs that one can make a good living and career doing. They also think that the finance industry has rigged the system to fleece the general public and make tons of money while taking very little risk. They want US trade policy rewritten to penalize shipping manufacturing jobs overseas while still trying to sell to the US market. They want the social welfare system protected to keep business from having too much leverage on workers. They want corporate bailouts ended and want Wall Street to be regulated and taxed more to keep them honest. If you're one of these voters, Bernie Sanders should be your first choice, and Hillary should be your last choice - yes, even behind Trump.

If you put aside Trump's smack talk and ethnic and religious nationalism, there's actually a lot of liberalism in his agenda. That's why most conservatives with brains oppose him, and it's why some private sector unions are hesitating to endorse Clinton.
 
Geez
I think lying as a common practice whether as First Lady Senator or Secretary of State is more reprehensible than saying stupid things as a candidate.
She has such a history of lying why would anyone think she would stop if GOD FORBID she became POTUS?
 
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Geez
I think lying as a common practice whether as First Lady Senator or Secretary of State is more reprehensible than saying stupid things as a candidate.
She has such a history of lying why would anyone think she would stop if GOD FORBID she became POTUS?
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That is part of her plan to get a crossover vote...she will channel Nixon and chant "I am not a crook."
 
March totals
Hillary is not even campaigning in Wisc today, she flew back to NY for a fundraiser
She nervous

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Isnt life itself a death sentence for everyone?

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That's one of those bumper sticker comments that I don't even know what it means. Does "death sentence" mean they can't live meaningful and fulfilling lives? Or that we have a queue of poor people who are dying from no other reason than being poor every day. How many people in the US die of poverty? (I know some do, in one way or another. I'm not convinced that poverty in and of itself is the cause of a lot of that, though.)

I guess theoretically "death sentence" could mean "at some point they're going to die", since our timeline for capital punishment can last for decades.
 
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