Beating Baylor - Big 12 Tournament Championship

[texexted]

Being upset with the referees calling techs and fouls (or not) is one thing but attacking a student-athlete's ethics are another. Brown was clearly limping afterwards, she took a knee to her thigh on the play, and she has no history of flopping or acting. No need for adults to go in on her when she has always composed herself with class when playing. IMHO.

Lastly, I would redirect some of this anger towards Coach Aston who has gotten owned by Mulkey for what seems like forever and still could not get the job done against a short-handed Baylor squad without its senior leader/main ball handler and one its main perimeter threats (Chou).

Who is attacking a student athlete? Give me a break. Brown was joking about her lack of pain tolerance after the game. Fair game.

 

[Moooooo]

Being upset with the referees calling techs and fouls (or not) is one thing but attacking a student-athlete's ethics are another. Brown was clearly limping afterwards, she took a knee to her thigh on the play, and she has no history of flopping or acting. No need for adults to go in on her when she has always composed herself with class when playing. IMHO.

Lastly, I would redirect some of this anger towards Coach Aston who has gotten owned by Mulkey for what seems like forever and still could not get the job done against a short-handed Baylor squad without its senior leader/main ball handler and one its main perimeter threats (Chou).

Here come the Baylor fans. Brown was gassed just trying to make the layup. She was smart to get whatever extra rest she could as a result of the foul. If she was hurt, she would not have returned to shoot the free throw.

You can have Mulkey trash as long as you want.

 

[Hornzupp]

Face facts. Baylor is the better team. They beat us tonight with a short bench and without Kristy Wallace. Pretty heroic team performance. Mulkey might be utterly obnoxious and the refs might have been unfair, but, face facts, we were not good enough to win in three tries. Our stars could not pull it out; their's could. Their freshmen played far better than our's. That's it. Period.

A word on Joyner Holmes. People expected the normal leap from freshman to sophomore in skill and ability. When she returned to the team, people thought,that addition would put us over the top. That has not happened. Certainly her long suspension didn't help. However, developing a shot is largely the responsibility of the player. Coaches can help, but they cannot themselves turn a player into a great shooter. Joyner has not even been adequate offensively, let alone a star. If she ever acquires a an outside jumper, and if she would develop disciplined moves around the basket, she would be a star. Frankly, it's up to her.

Right. Listen, we were so close last night - it was fun to watch. But - sometimes fans just will not see what's right in front of them. This was supposed to be Baylor's "down year" even WITH Wallace - and they still gave it to us last night because we made some very bad decisions and mistakes. It's not the end of the world, no, but Tier 1 teams don't make the mistakes we made last night. And top coaches definitely don't do what KA did at such a crucial time in the game. Nope. That tech is not fighting for your team - that's a critical mistake that a great coach should/would never make. Just cannot happen. Ariel and Brooke cannot take us to the NCAAs alone either. I watched the game with sound down because can't stand those announcers - so I listened on radio and what they said is accurate - our ride into the tourney is on the backs of our supporting cast - not our stars. Yes, our stars must show up but alone, we will not be able to win with just them. Joyner Holmes is a wash until she can shoot jumpers and free throws. On a good note - Jatari seems to be blossoming at the right time. Let's go to the dance!

 

[Hornzupp]

I liked that foul. May as well try and disrupt her. However, go back and watch Kim's classless antics afterwards trying to get a technical. She's utterly ridiculous. After the game Kim and Brown were laughing about Brown's acting job etc.

Baylor is a better team and they have a better coach - but I wouldn't want her.

LIKE that foul? That foul was easily one of the top 3-4 plays that changed the game for us. NOT a good foul at all. Good hustle yes. Good foul. No way. First - we were fine from a score perspective. Plus if you are going to foul there, you make sure she does NOT make that shot, otherwise, let it go.

 

[flash34]

Our best players got zero help. Well not exactly zero but 1-17 is dang close. That is what Holmes, Hosey and Boothe provided. I don’t have the answer(s) but that kind of help will get a plane ticket home real quick. Those 3 are better than that. They play hard and are trying. How to get them to contribute marginally better will be the key to how far this team goes.

 

[DFW_Horn]

Being upset with the referees calling techs and fouls (or not) is one thing but attacking a student-athlete's ethics are another. Brown was clearly limping afterwards, she took a knee to her thigh on the play, and she has no history of flopping or acting. No need for adults to go in on her when she has always composed herself with class when playing. IMHO.

Lastly, I would redirect some of this anger towards Coach Aston who has gotten owned by Mulkey for what seems like forever and still could not get the job done against a short-handed Baylor squad without its senior leader/main ball handler and one its main perimeter threats (Chou).

Whole-heartedly agree with your 1st paragraph. I can't recall Brown being anything other than a physical but clean post player.

As far as directing anger toward Coach Aston? The result was disappointing but I'm still a Texas fan. I would not support a team coached by Mulkey - it's bad enough dealing with a poor loser but the next time Mulkey shows an ounce of class on or off the court will be the first in a LONG time. I'm sure plenty of Baylor fans will call it sour grapes and that winning is the only thing that matters - I would expect nothing less from a school with its athletics department's 'legacy'.

 

[HornView]

Here we go with the first time posters trying to agitate again. Nothing out of line was said about Brown and I’ll take Aston over the Brazos Hag any day all day as a coach.

 

[utfannforlife]

Being upset with the referees calling techs and fouls (or not) is one thing but attacking a student-athlete's ethics are another. Brown was clearly limping afterwards, she took a knee to her thigh on the play, and she has no history of flopping or acting. No need for adults to go in on her when she has always composed herself with class when playing. IMHO.

Lastly, I would redirect some of this anger towards Coach Aston who has gotten owned by Mulkey for what seems like forever and still could not get the job done against a short-handed Baylor squad without its senior leader/main ball handler and one its main perimeter threats (Chou).

I like how BU claims to be be sooo short handed and crying little sisters of the poor. You have 2 all Americans on the floor with some highly regarded senior & frosh players.

 

[Hornzupp]

Here we go with the first time posters trying to agitate again. Nothing out of line was said about Brown and I’ll take Aston over the Brazos Hag any day all day as a coach.

What does it matter if a post is made by a "first time poster" or a 21st time poster? Hilarious the way folks attempt to bully and marginalize when their buttons are pushed. Should "first time" posters ask permission to speak too? It's a message board. Everyone has been a first time poster. LOL! Guess what? First time posters, 401st time posters - none of us will be silenced because someone doesn't agree or like what's said. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they don't love Texas - that's some archaic and distorted crap somebody sold you a long time ago. If you want to see our team and coaches through rose-colored glasses, that's your choice but don't lash out at folks who have the ability to support UT without being blind to our weaknesses. We're good at some stuff; we're bad at some stuff.

 

[RitaRivas]

Thx for the comment DFW. I meant redirecting anger away from Brown not away from Mulkey. Funny thing is I'm a fan of womens bball not Baylor specifically. My Twitter page has likes from Joyner Holmes for compliments I've given her if you want any testament to my impartiality.

Whole-heartedly agree with your 1st paragraph. I can't recall Brown being anything other than a physical but clean post player.

As far as directing anger toward Coach Aston? The result was disappointing but I'm still a Texas fan. I would not support a team coached by Mulkey - it's bad enough dealing with a poor loser but the next time Mulkey shows an ounce of class on or off the court will be the first in a LONG time. I'm sure plenty of Baylor fans will call it sour grapes and that winning is the only thing that matters - I would expect nothing less from a school with its athletics department's 'legacy'.

 

[skilled]

What does it matter if a post is made by a "first time poster" or a 21st time poster? Hilarious the way folks attempt to bully and marginalize when their buttons are pushed. Should "first time" posters ask permission to speak too? It's a message board. Everyone has been a first time poster. LOL! Guess what? First time posters, 401st time posters - none of us will be silenced because someone doesn't agree or like what's said. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they don't love Texas - that's some archaic and distorted crap somebody sold you a long time ago. If you want to see our team and coaches through rose-colored glasses, that's your choice but don't lash out at folks who have the ability to support UT without being blind to our weaknesses. We're good at some stuff; we're bad at some stuff.

Thanks for this! The first time I posted I got accused of being someone that I was not. Since that time, I've posted from time to time, but mainly just stay in the background. I didn't come here to argue with anyone, but to only support a program that I like. I am an unbiased person for the most part, as I played the game, however it was not for UT or Baylor. I love women's basketball and find these type of games are good for the sport. We need more competition in the Big 12.

Regarding the game, both teams committed fouls that were not called. I was glad to see the refs let the game be played instead of blowing their whistles every few seconds. This is a physical game and players expect a certain amount of contact. I was especially happy with the play of White. She is playing with more confidence each game, and even more so than prior to her transfer.

I know Baylor has been a thorn in UT's side, however, this program has been improving by leaps and bounds each year. This loss is a disappointment, but we have so much to look forward to.

 

[RitaRivas]

So it wasn't just me! I post on the other UT board (Lady Vols) as well as the Boneyard (UConn) board but I clearly crossed a boundary of some sort with my first post. Very good commentary around here though.

Thanks for this! The first time I posted I got accused of being someone that I was not.

 

[texexted]

LIKE that foul? That foul was easily one of the top 3-4 plays that changed the game for us. NOT a good foul at all. Good hustle yes. Good foul. No way. First - we were fine from a score perspective. Plus if you are going to foul there, you make sure she does NOT make that shot, otherwise, let it go.

Wrong. You foul and hope she misses free throws otherwise you are handing them 2 points. And the person fouling isn’t a critical piece of the team so no worries about Jordan getting in foul trouble.

 

[racerx5908]

Wrong. You foul and hope she misses free throws otherwise you are handing them 2 points. And the person fouling isn’t a critical piece of the team so no worries about Jordan getting in foul trouble.

Yup, like fouling Joyner as she's got a full steam going towards the basket.

 

[BabHorn]

Prince will take two years, unfortunately. Brown was a statue (sorta still is) her freshman year. Cox was bewildered and muscled out by our bigs last year. So while I hope Sedona is who I hope she'll become, it's going to take 2 years.

Both Sedona and Charlie will take time to develop, yes. But defensive play comes along much faster than offensive skills when you are a post. Both, imo, seem to have quick feet and anticipate well on defense. If they can learn the defensive schemes quickly, they will make an impact. Remember about Cox, that one reason she went to Baylor was because she knew she would be sitting and learning behind Brown and Mompremier. Both Sedona and Charlie will also have that luxury with Jatarie and Joyner playing ahead of them.

Joyner needs more time with Coach Thompson. Jatarie has made huge strides this season, I am going to assume due to Coach Thompson's coaching. Joyner should continue to make strides as well, if she is willing to put into practice what Coach Thompson is teaching.

Jatarie was a very pleasant surprise with her ability to score against both Brown and Cox inside as well as her rebounding. That can only be good for us moving into the NCAAs.

But, as noted above-or in another thread, we don't have a shot blocker anymore. If Audrey-Ann is unable to return, we are going to have to do with pressuring defensively and not letting opponents get clean looks at the basket cuz no one is behind to clean up any mistakes.

 

[brnkj]

 

[Hornzupp]

Wrong. You foul and hope she misses free throws otherwise you are handing them 2 points. And the person fouling isn’t a critical piece of the team so no worries about Jordan getting in foul trouble.

Wrong. Why? Time. Score. Situation. If you know anything about TSS - you know that Hosey lets KB have that layup. If you don't know anything about TSS, then carry on - b/c we'll be debating this point til the Bevos come home. Ask ANYone who's ever played or coached this game at the highest level if they'd THUMBS UP or THUMBS DOWN that play at THAT TIME in our game - and I guarantee you you'd get 98%+ thumbs down. It's a BAD decision. And the cumulative of bad decisions in the last 3 mins of the game - cost us that game.

 

[Scamp]

I'm feeling the same way, Coach Karen!
https://www.statesman.com/rf/image_...06/Images/B12_Texas_Baylor_Basketball (7).JPG

 

[brnkj]

Ask ANYone who's ever played or coached this game

Therein it lies...

 

[Run Pincher]

We may never know what Aston’s magic words were. Unless one of the refs went rogue.......it had to be severe. I am not discounting the rogue possibility........and sure want to know. If the 3 refs were good enough to do this game, they should have ignored anything other than the most derogatory yell. As a former high school/college referee, you look the other way at that time in the game. However, there are some magic words that can get you the technical at any time. There are a half dozen things that come to mind. I didn’t see any outward rant but Aston certainly got the attention of one of the refs. Someone at the game must have heard it. Will that person “stand up and testify” to what the unhappy words were?

You're giving B12 refs way too much credit. I've seen much better jrHigh refs. Being a B12 ref has more to do with politics than ability to preform their job.

 

[BBV_Horn]

Wrong. You foul and hope she misses free throws otherwise you are handing them 2 points. And the person fouling isn’t a critical piece of the team so no worries about Jordan getting in foul trouble.

Except for the fact it gave Brown a 5 minute rest period while the refs looked FOREVER at the replay at Mulkey's insistence!
I thought Dee Kantner had more balls than that..

 

[BBV_Horn]

You're giving B12 refs way too much credit. I've seen much better jrHigh refs. Being a B12 ref has more to do with politics than ability to preform their job.

Hmmm..not sure I agree with that..the 3 refs for last night's game are 3 of the best in the business, hands down..BUT to call that technical with just over a minute? Criminal..

 

[Hoops chick]

You're giving B12 refs way too much credit. I've seen much better jrHigh refs. Being a B12 ref has more to do with politics than ability to preform their job.

Unlike football, basketball officials are not conference affiliated. There are no “B12 refs”. However, I do agree with you that the officiating last night was less than stellar. Those three ladies (Dee Kantner, LIsa Mattingly and Tina Napier) have called many D1 WBB games, including those in the final weekends of the NCAA tourney, and generally tend to be consistent on both sides of the court. Not sure what was going on last night.

 

[LutherIsMyDog]

Post game press conference.

 

[cynt]

Aaarrgghh! Man we almost had it. I'm tired of being the bridesmaid. I want to be the bride.

1st time posters, welcome. Just shake off the haters. Love fresh new different perspectives on our Longhorns.

One question, Higgs was on fire, why did coach take her out for long periods of time? SMH Somebody enlighten me, please. Never mind. I just checked she played 33 minutes, 20 pts. She was ready for Baylor.

Holmes, Holmes, holmes. Losing that semester just messed her up. She definitely should of hired a personal basketball trainer during her time away. I know, shoulda, coulda woulda. But still love me some Joyner. It will come back. It's just taking longer than we all anticipated. 5 pts. SMH! Keep fighting Holmes.

OK, that daggum Morris is the realdeal.com. She's going to give our guards fits the next 3 years.

Now everyone keeps talking about Sedona and Prince. Well look at the freshman class we have now. They are warming the pine. So let's keep everything in perspective and take into consideration they'll probably be on known pine their freshman year with little playing time but much learning time.

Now I'm wondering if we meet Baylor for the 4th time in the big dance. Remember UCONN & ND fighting it out 4 times when digging was playing ball. Loved that rivalry. So if we meet them again, will we overcome?!?!?!