Anybody else around here do Atkins/ South Beach?
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Wally,
Your body needs fats. Just like it needs carbs and sugars. It all depends what kind of fats/carbs/sugars you feed yourself. I really hadnt thought of this being a "caveman diet", but it sounds about right. Someone mentioned something about our body not "evolving". Your body WILL NOT evolve. It was made to eat the foods that the good earth provides, in their natural state. Anytime you put chemicals in your body, there will be an adverse reaction. maybe not today, but you can bet there will be. Medicine is a good example. My Dad took 20-25 different medicines. He took medicines to fix the medicines that he took to fix the medicines. You get my point.
Vegetable oil is made in a chemical labratory. It has long chain fatty acids. Your body stores this as fat. Coconut oil (pure virgin) has medium chain fatty acids. Your body burns this as energy. BIG difference eventhough coconut oil is loaded with fats. Your body can handle it.
Also, there is no plan or diet. Diets dont work. I have completely changed my lifestyle. No late night eating/fried foods, eating lots of fruit and steamed veggies (not the canned crap). Thats how I lost weight. Everybody can do it, most wont. I try real hard to eat natural foods. To me, it just makes sense. Like I said before, we have the mentality of a 5 year old when we eat. You want it so you eat it regardless of the problems it may cause. We are americans!! Its up to the government to come up with a pill to fix us. Its not our responsibility. We are entitled to everything!!!
Remember, the FDA is controlled by big money. They are not interested in your health. Only profit. You are your responsibility. EVERYTHING IN MODERATION.
Your body needs fats. Just like it needs carbs and sugars. It all depends what kind of fats/carbs/sugars you feed yourself. I really hadnt thought of this being a "caveman diet", but it sounds about right. Someone mentioned something about our body not "evolving". Your body WILL NOT evolve. It was made to eat the foods that the good earth provides, in their natural state. Anytime you put chemicals in your body, there will be an adverse reaction. maybe not today, but you can bet there will be. Medicine is a good example. My Dad took 20-25 different medicines. He took medicines to fix the medicines that he took to fix the medicines. You get my point.
Vegetable oil is made in a chemical labratory. It has long chain fatty acids. Your body stores this as fat. Coconut oil (pure virgin) has medium chain fatty acids. Your body burns this as energy. BIG difference eventhough coconut oil is loaded with fats. Your body can handle it.
Also, there is no plan or diet. Diets dont work. I have completely changed my lifestyle. No late night eating/fried foods, eating lots of fruit and steamed veggies (not the canned crap). Thats how I lost weight. Everybody can do it, most wont. I try real hard to eat natural foods. To me, it just makes sense. Like I said before, we have the mentality of a 5 year old when we eat. You want it so you eat it regardless of the problems it may cause. We are americans!! Its up to the government to come up with a pill to fix us. Its not our responsibility. We are entitled to everything!!!
Remember, the FDA is controlled by big money. They are not interested in your health. Only profit. You are your responsibility. EVERYTHING IN MODERATION.
In a little bit less than a month I have lost 16 pounds. It was not rocket science or a trip to South Beach.
I am eating more fresh vegetables (either steamed, raw or cooked into food), organic brown rice, good proteins and fiber. Salmon and other things I enjoy that are healthy I eat more of while eating less of the lazy foods. I reward myself but find that even those are less in demand and size.
I upped and tweaked my workout routine a bit. Remember, you don't want to do just cardio or lifting type exercises. You want a combination of both.
I also cut out late night meals when possible replacing them with something more healthy like Broccoli and Hummus. I am focusing on low sodium as I have become appalled with the obsession we have with sodium and how bad it is for us.
The RDA for sodium is higher than what your body needs for health by a good amount. The average person eats quite a bit more than the RDA daily. That is gross to me and I felt like a sucker just lapping it up.
I have not had to change much in my life, just rethink it and actually do things without looking for the easy way out. Don't ever eat foods or do things you don't enjoy. That is a recipe for failure. There are so many good foods out there you can eat and so many fun things to do for fitness that you will look forward to them and have a better shot at getting it done.
With the lifestyle change and not just diet you get longer lasting results as you are less prone to being lazy again. It becomes your habit and it's a good one to have. Don't be reliant on diets.
I am eating more fresh vegetables (either steamed, raw or cooked into food), organic brown rice, good proteins and fiber. Salmon and other things I enjoy that are healthy I eat more of while eating less of the lazy foods. I reward myself but find that even those are less in demand and size.
I upped and tweaked my workout routine a bit. Remember, you don't want to do just cardio or lifting type exercises. You want a combination of both.
I also cut out late night meals when possible replacing them with something more healthy like Broccoli and Hummus. I am focusing on low sodium as I have become appalled with the obsession we have with sodium and how bad it is for us.
The RDA for sodium is higher than what your body needs for health by a good amount. The average person eats quite a bit more than the RDA daily. That is gross to me and I felt like a sucker just lapping it up.
I have not had to change much in my life, just rethink it and actually do things without looking for the easy way out. Don't ever eat foods or do things you don't enjoy. That is a recipe for failure. There are so many good foods out there you can eat and so many fun things to do for fitness that you will look forward to them and have a better shot at getting it done.
With the lifestyle change and not just diet you get longer lasting results as you are less prone to being lazy again. It becomes your habit and it's a good one to have. Don't be reliant on diets.
NickDanger
2,500+ Posts
My "highly restricted" sodium diet called for me to keep my intake below 2,000 mg/day. If it comes in a can or a box or a jar, you can bet it's LOADED with sodium. Not all of them, but it's a good bet. The RDA for sodium is something along the lines of 2,400 or 2,800 mg/day and most people probably get easily twice that amount per day. Even packaged meats and seafood gets loaded up with sodium for various reasons. When I say packaged, of course I mean bolgna, etc, but also pork tenders, turkeys, etc.
When I first did my label analysis and research into sodium I was shocked! Nick is right about the box and can stuff. I like cooking beans but it took awhile to do so. I went out and got a pressure cooker and it's a breeze. Of course I don't put them into chili!
A big find for me was realizing that El Milagro chips don't have any sodium. I also enjoy them since they are so thin and crispy. In moderation I satisfy my crunch urge with some fresh salsa. Forget the jarred or prepackaged stuff. You can make better on your own.
A big find for me was realizing that El Milagro chips don't have any sodium. I also enjoy them since they are so thin and crispy. In moderation I satisfy my crunch urge with some fresh salsa. Forget the jarred or prepackaged stuff. You can make better on your own.
NickDanger
2,500+ Posts
I forgot about the other criterion. If it's handed to you through a window, it's almost certainly loaded with sodium.
I have a question on plateauing on weight loss. I have researched it online, but I'm already doing the things suggested.
Here is the situation. I used to weigh 235, body fat was around 45%. I was exercising regularly, but I was eating badly.
My wife and I decided to make a change. A nutritionist has me on 1500 cals a day (20% fat, 30% protein and 50% carbohydrates) in 6 small meals/day. I get most of my intake through lean meat, vegetables, fruit and some protein shakes. I lost 21 lbs in 6 weeks and body fat dropped to around 35%. In the meantime, I have stepped up my cardio intensively. I'm doing 40-60 minutes 6-7 times a week with a varying routine of treadmill, outdoor running, stationary biking, road biking, stair master and rowing. We also weight train 3 times a week for about an hour. I plateaued on weight loss about 2 weeks ago. I haven't lost a pound in that time doing the same thing. I stepped up my cardio to twice a day for the last week. I have been burning 300-600 cals/day with exercise depending on the day. My job is an office one and is pretty sedentary. I suspect I might not be taking in enough calories. With 1400-1500 cals/day I am not all that hungry. Any thoughts on what else I can do?
Here is the situation. I used to weigh 235, body fat was around 45%. I was exercising regularly, but I was eating badly.
My wife and I decided to make a change. A nutritionist has me on 1500 cals a day (20% fat, 30% protein and 50% carbohydrates) in 6 small meals/day. I get most of my intake through lean meat, vegetables, fruit and some protein shakes. I lost 21 lbs in 6 weeks and body fat dropped to around 35%. In the meantime, I have stepped up my cardio intensively. I'm doing 40-60 minutes 6-7 times a week with a varying routine of treadmill, outdoor running, stationary biking, road biking, stair master and rowing. We also weight train 3 times a week for about an hour. I plateaued on weight loss about 2 weeks ago. I haven't lost a pound in that time doing the same thing. I stepped up my cardio to twice a day for the last week. I have been burning 300-600 cals/day with exercise depending on the day. My job is an office one and is pretty sedentary. I suspect I might not be taking in enough calories. With 1400-1500 cals/day I am not all that hungry. Any thoughts on what else I can do?
Skysooner,
I used to weigh about 300 and I am down to around 175. I plateaued several times and all I did was change up my routine. Sounds like you did that. Your body will adjust to whatever you are doing. I have stayed this same weight for about a year now. I am 6'3", so, according to the BMI I am about 20-25 lbs underweight. I jog by the Chili's everyday and gain weight. Frustrating for me, just keep pluggin in there. How tall are you and what do you want to get down to? Best of luck to you.
On a side note, I am assuming you are from Oklahoma? What part? I was stationed at Altus AFB, all my kids were born there. I got them to Texas as soon as I could.
I used to weigh about 300 and I am down to around 175. I plateaued several times and all I did was change up my routine. Sounds like you did that. Your body will adjust to whatever you are doing. I have stayed this same weight for about a year now. I am 6'3", so, according to the BMI I am about 20-25 lbs underweight. I jog by the Chili's everyday and gain weight. Frustrating for me, just keep pluggin in there. How tall are you and what do you want to get down to? Best of luck to you.
On a side note, I am assuming you are from Oklahoma? What part? I was stationed at Altus AFB, all my kids were born there. I got them to Texas as soon as I could.
Thanks. Sounds like I'm doing the right thing anyway. I'm 5'10". A healthy weight for me is going to be in the 150-165 range. The nice part is that I have type 2 diabetes and with just the 21 lbs, I'm off of oral medication totally and blood sugars have been in the normal range.
I'm a Texan by birth and a Sooner by the fact my dad took a job there when I was in 6th grade. My wife is from Hobart and lots of her family is from the Altus area. It took me almost 18 years out of college to find a job in Texas (primarily Dallas was the area I was looking in) and now that I'm here, I'm staying.
I'm a Texan by birth and a Sooner by the fact my dad took a job there when I was in 6th grade. My wife is from Hobart and lots of her family is from the Altus area. It took me almost 18 years out of college to find a job in Texas (primarily Dallas was the area I was looking in) and now that I'm here, I'm staying.
sky,
1700 calories still aint much. Another thing that I did to loose the weight was not eat supper. Lunch is still my main meal. I have toast, or cereal or something light for supper. That helped me get off nexium.
My Dad was 6'2" and weighted 375 lbs when he died. I was headed in that direction. I feel so much better. I know you can do it. Just eat natural foods and watch your portions. (thats my downfall)
I am from Waco, but my wife graduated from Granite in 69. I used to drive a Bond Bread truck in the Hobart area. We have chewed a lot of the same dirt.
1700 calories still aint much. Another thing that I did to loose the weight was not eat supper. Lunch is still my main meal. I have toast, or cereal or something light for supper. That helped me get off nexium.
My Dad was 6'2" and weighted 375 lbs when he died. I was headed in that direction. I feel so much better. I know you can do it. Just eat natural foods and watch your portions. (thats my downfall)
I am from Waco, but my wife graduated from Granite in 69. I used to drive a Bond Bread truck in the Hobart area. We have chewed a lot of the same dirt.
Things to try:
You can try intermittent fasting to kick around your metabolism. Either fast for 24 hours or skip breakfast or dinner once or twice a week. But not if you're already in "starvation mode". I think it's usually pretty obvious when you're in "starvation mode" (low appetite, crappy workouts, slow weight loss, misery). You should probably be taking in 2000 (+/- 100) calories based on your calorie burn/BMR. The sustainable approach is generally to eat at your BMR and exercise into deficit but not over ~500 calories. Some people can get away with more, some less.
Now that you're in improved shape, throw in High Intensity Interval Training (aka Crossfit, Insanity, Tabata, etc.). Replace some of the cardio and do sprints for 15 minutes instead. It's a bit counter-intuitive at first but seems to have good evidence.
Make sure you're getting enough rest and aren't stressed out. Also a bit counter-intuitive.
Personally, I mix up diet and workouts every few weeks... mostly out of trying to avoid boredom and to not lose motivation (which is probably the greatest obstacle besides injury). I also try not to completely buy into any one system or viewpoint since you can pretty much lose weight using any of them.
Oh, and don't go strictly by the scale. Use your eyeballs and get your body fat tested every few weeks.
You can try intermittent fasting to kick around your metabolism. Either fast for 24 hours or skip breakfast or dinner once or twice a week. But not if you're already in "starvation mode". I think it's usually pretty obvious when you're in "starvation mode" (low appetite, crappy workouts, slow weight loss, misery). You should probably be taking in 2000 (+/- 100) calories based on your calorie burn/BMR. The sustainable approach is generally to eat at your BMR and exercise into deficit but not over ~500 calories. Some people can get away with more, some less.
Now that you're in improved shape, throw in High Intensity Interval Training (aka Crossfit, Insanity, Tabata, etc.). Replace some of the cardio and do sprints for 15 minutes instead. It's a bit counter-intuitive at first but seems to have good evidence.
Make sure you're getting enough rest and aren't stressed out. Also a bit counter-intuitive.
Personally, I mix up diet and workouts every few weeks... mostly out of trying to avoid boredom and to not lose motivation (which is probably the greatest obstacle besides injury). I also try not to completely buy into any one system or viewpoint since you can pretty much lose weight using any of them.
Oh, and don't go strictly by the scale. Use your eyeballs and get your body fat tested every few weeks.
I have started to incorporate high intensity portions into my cardio. Sprinting to get my heart rate up, a couple of minutes of downtime, sprinting again. I have also taken up rowing and the stairmaster the last couple of days. I'm thinking about doing the shakeup routine too in terms of food. When my wife lost her initial baby weight (roughly 30 lbs), she would eat good all week and eat up all of her Weight Watchers exercise points in one day (usually Saturday), and her loss was steady.
I bumped up to 1700 cals yesterday of all good food. Sounds like I might need to bump it again. I'm not sure I'm in starvation mode. I have plenty of energy. My appetite is lower, but I also get full faster after eating low cals for awhile. I have great workouts right now. I did 17 miles on the street bike the other day (just my 2nd day riding in about 20 years) and was strong through it. I'm also getting about 9 hours of sleep per night and feel rested and not stressed.
I bumped up to 1700 cals yesterday of all good food. Sounds like I might need to bump it again. I'm not sure I'm in starvation mode. I have plenty of energy. My appetite is lower, but I also get full faster after eating low cals for awhile. I have great workouts right now. I did 17 miles on the street bike the other day (just my 2nd day riding in about 20 years) and was strong through it. I'm also getting about 9 hours of sleep per night and feel rested and not stressed.
NickDanger
2,500+ Posts
I wish I could find the button to turn on "starvation mode". I would save a billion dollars in food costs for this nation today if I could tell people how to turn on this mysterious "mode".
Think of it, suspending the laws of thermodynamics. I could be Mr. Freeze!
Think of it, suspending the laws of thermodynamics. I could be Mr. Freeze!
Actually, I have always pictured you as Mr. Freeze when you post. Hmmm, maybe you are on the verge of discovering that magic button.
When I was a trainer I wished I could be the one to invent an exercise or method to spot reduce fat in one place with one exercise! That is what just about everybody wanted.
"What exercise can I do to get rid of the tummy fat I have?" Uh, exercise not eating as much crap, exercise and stay with it. Can you imagine how rich you would be if you did have something to spot reduce belly fat? Holy cow. Move over Bil Gates.
When I was a trainer I wished I could be the one to invent an exercise or method to spot reduce fat in one place with one exercise! That is what just about everybody wanted.
"What exercise can I do to get rid of the tummy fat I have?" Uh, exercise not eating as much crap, exercise and stay with it. Can you imagine how rich you would be if you did have something to spot reduce belly fat? Holy cow. Move over Bil Gates.
lOOp,
I'm maintaining around 35-45% protein in my diet right now. I drink protein shakes after working out and another protein shake in the morning for breakfast. There is a chance I might be losing some inches I don't notice. I'll measure tonight and see if that is the case.
I'm maintaining around 35-45% protein in my diet right now. I drink protein shakes after working out and another protein shake in the morning for breakfast. There is a chance I might be losing some inches I don't notice. I'll measure tonight and see if that is the case.
NickDanger
2,500+ Posts
The only thing close to "starvation mode" is when you are unconscious. It's just not possible for your body to not be dead and also not burn calories.
NickDanger
2,500+ Posts
No, it really can't.
Changing metabolism takes quite a bit of time. Some people cannot ever change it. Their body is what it is sometimes.
Regarding the maybe extra inches left off, yes, check that. Your protein is not the issue, good. Scales are sort of useless unless you are ordered by a doctor or you are in a weight required sport. It can be deceiving and negative.
Go more by how you feel, how you look and how your body is reacting. THAT is the goal. I only step on a scale about once every 3 weeks or so. I will sometimes do so before and after taking a big whiz to see how much I was toting around. I do this for kicks, I guess.
Regarding the maybe extra inches left off, yes, check that. Your protein is not the issue, good. Scales are sort of useless unless you are ordered by a doctor or you are in a weight required sport. It can be deceiving and negative.
Go more by how you feel, how you look and how your body is reacting. THAT is the goal. I only step on a scale about once every 3 weeks or so. I will sometimes do so before and after taking a big whiz to see how much I was toting around. I do this for kicks, I guess.
utexas_61
500+ Posts
So everybody who has claimed to hit a weight loss plateau, actually added a couple hundred calories to their diet, and started losing weight again is just full of ****.
The body is a closed linear system where nothing you do changes the way food is processed, and how it is used and stored.
The body is a closed linear system where nothing you do changes the way food is processed, and how it is used and stored.
NickDanger
2,500+ Posts
The "plateaus" are so commonly reported that they HAVE to have some merit, but there is no such thing as "starvation mode". Does one's body have some secret conciousness that allows it to reach inside your thoughts to find out that you are on a diet and be offended enough to thwart your efforts? No. The amount of calories it takes to lift a can of beer is the same whether or not you have been on a diet or not. You can't change the laws of nature.
I can't explain why people hit plateaus, but it sure isn't some "starvation mode". If there was a way to do work without expending energy, that would probably make some headlines.
I can't explain why people hit plateaus, but it sure isn't some "starvation mode". If there was a way to do work without expending energy, that would probably make some headlines.
I ripped through my strength training tonight, did 6 miles on the bike and still have energy. It isn't starvation. I think I feel tighter if that is a way of expressing things. Over the last 10 days or so, I just feel stronger. Thanks lOOp. I'll stop paying attention to the scale.
Sky,
Thats great. I jog/power walk everyday anywhere between 3-6 miles. Some days I feel like I can go another 3-6 miles and other days I really struggle. I dont know if my age (57) has anything to do with it, but I will tell you that early morning workouts are much better for me.
As far as weighing myself, I do it everyday. Difference of opinion I guess. To me, that the best way to stay on track. I am not a Doctor or Nutritionalist, but exercise, eating natural foods that my body can recognize (no chemicals), and not eating a heavy supper worked for me. Dont know if it was good or bad, but I still do it. I have also heard that your body can go into starvation mode. I have also heard that you need to "fool" your body by eating something like donuts or cheeseburger w/fries to fool your body that the calories are commin. It will put you in the calorie burning mode. Dont know about that, but donuts and cheeseburger w/fiies sounds good right now. If I can just keep that aggy from screwing up my order.
Thats great. I jog/power walk everyday anywhere between 3-6 miles. Some days I feel like I can go another 3-6 miles and other days I really struggle. I dont know if my age (57) has anything to do with it, but I will tell you that early morning workouts are much better for me.
As far as weighing myself, I do it everyday. Difference of opinion I guess. To me, that the best way to stay on track. I am not a Doctor or Nutritionalist, but exercise, eating natural foods that my body can recognize (no chemicals), and not eating a heavy supper worked for me. Dont know if it was good or bad, but I still do it. I have also heard that your body can go into starvation mode. I have also heard that you need to "fool" your body by eating something like donuts or cheeseburger w/fries to fool your body that the calories are commin. It will put you in the calorie burning mode. Dont know about that, but donuts and cheeseburger w/fiies sounds good right now. If I can just keep that aggy from screwing up my order.
utexas_61
500+ Posts
Nick,
After doing some internet "research", from the studies I found, it seems we are both kind of wrong.
If you starve yourself for a long enough time, your body's metabolism DOES have the ability to slow itself down. Also, once your fat levels get to a low enough level, it tries to save whatever is left and starts burning up lean tissues.
But, the decrease in metabolism isn't no where near enough to stop losing weight. You just loose less weight with whatever calorie deficiency than before.
But, like you said, people do hit plateaus, and one of the ways to break this is actually increasing calorie intake. It doesn't make sense, but it happens.
After doing some internet "research", from the studies I found, it seems we are both kind of wrong.
If you starve yourself for a long enough time, your body's metabolism DOES have the ability to slow itself down. Also, once your fat levels get to a low enough level, it tries to save whatever is left and starts burning up lean tissues.
But, the decrease in metabolism isn't no where near enough to stop losing weight. You just loose less weight with whatever calorie deficiency than before.
But, like you said, people do hit plateaus, and one of the ways to break this is actually increasing calorie intake. It doesn't make sense, but it happens.
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