Antifa

[Seattle Husker]

I ain't the only one. Note the datelines.

https://www.google.com/amp/reason.com/blog/2013/01/18/john-mackey-was-right-the-first-time-oba/amp

https://spectator.org/34058_obamacare-socialism-or-fascism/

Not surprisingly, Mackey has been trying to walk back the "fascist" comment since he made it. Of course he started by calling it "socialism" in a 2009 WSJ op-ed but that didn't have the effect he was hoping for when he offered 8 non-unique ideas for fixing healthcare. Is it a surprise that Mackey's rhetoric amped up over 4 years of being lambasted by the left?

It still only fits any definition of fascism if you forget that the only control over the insurance companies the government has are minimum services the plans have to offer. Everything else if private entity driven, including the payments made directly to the insurance provider. Obamacare simply created a marketplace for these providers to reach the customers. Forcing everyone to have insurance? I'll bring back the car insurance and license example. Again, that's socialism put in place to protect the victim of a car accident from recklessness of the person causing the accident. Applied to health insurance. You being forced to have insurance is to make sure I don't have to pay for your emergency room visit.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Wow, here is a liberal article on fascism that does not mention race at all. I wonder why that is? Maybe because Obama was in the White House and not Trump? Isn't it clear which side is using the fascist term today for political purposes?

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/14007-no-actually-this-is-what-a-fascist-looks-like

The 1983 American Heritage Dictionary defined fascism as: "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

It appears SJW's have influenced the current definition of fascism when compared to the 1983 definition.

I've never said that liberals don't also loosely throw around the term fascist. See my earlier comment on the term being used for Trump during the 2016 election cycle. I'd argue they are all using it as a rhetorical tool to garner a predicable emotional response, like you are doing for Obamacare.

 

[mchammer]

Not surprisingly, Mackey has been trying to walk back the "fascist" comment since he made it. Of course he started by calling it "socialism" in a 2009 WSJ op-ed but that didn't have the effect he was hoping for when he offered 8 non-unique ideas for fixing healthcare. Is it a surprise that Mackey's rhetoric amped up over 4 years of being lambasted by the left?

It still only fits any definition of fascism if you forget that the only control over the insurance companies the government has are minimum services the plans have to offer. Everything else if private entity driven, including the payments made directly to the insurance provider. Obamacare simply created a marketplace for these providers to reach the customers. Forcing everyone to have insurance? I'll bring back the car insurance and license example. Again, that's socialism put in place to protect the victim of a car accident from recklessness of the person causing the accident. Applied to health insurance. You being forced to have insurance is to make sure I don't have to pay for your emergency room visit.

The liberal who wrote this article certainly believes Washington is becoming more fascist. Will you liberals get your story straight? For the record I think this guy is more right than you are.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/14007-no-actually-this-is-what-a-fascist-looks-like

The 1983 American Heritage Dictionary defined fascism as: "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

It appears SJW's have influenced the current definition of fascism when compared to the 1983 definition.

 

[Seattle Husker]

The liberal who wrote this article certainly believes Washington is becoming more fascist. Will you liberals get your story straight? For the record I think this guy is more right than you are.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/14007-no-actually-this-is-what-a-fascist-looks-like

The 1983 American Heritage Dictionary defined fascism as: "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

It appears SJW's have influenced the current definition of fascism when compared to the 1983 definition.

I'm not a defender of the generic "liberal" in this instance. I'm equally critical of the left use of the term. It's a symptom of our current political dialogue which favors inflammatory rhetoric to describe anything/anyone you disagree with.

 

[mchammer]

I'm not a defender of the generic "liberal" in this instance. I'm equally critical of the left use of the term. It's a symptom of our current political dialogue which favors inflammatory rhetoric to describe anything/anyone you disagree with.

This,

"Worse still, those readers and donors will be unable to reliably discern the actual hate groups that still exist. For exist they do. They are tiny relative to the population, they are marginal, and they have little power. As political scientist Justin Murphy says, overt racism “likely appears larger than it is, especially to progressives, precisely because it has never been less common in American history,” making the few die-hards stand out in sharp relief."

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...law-center-gets-creative-to-label-hate-groups

 

[Mr. Deez]

This,

"Worse still, those readers and donors will be unable to reliably discern the actual hate groups that still exist. For exist they do. They are tiny relative to the population, they are marginal, and they have little power. As political scientist Justin Murphy says, overt racism “likely appears larger than it is, especially to progressives, precisely because it has never been less common in American history,” making the few die-hards stand out in sharp relief."

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...law-center-gets-creative-to-label-hate-groups

And the "creativity" that the left (including the SPLC, which I will admit has some some commendable things) uses to associate mainstream conservatives with actual hate groups is why conservatives should really get upset and worried about the justification of violence against certain groups on the basis of their beliefs or speech. This isn't just about Nazis and hate groups.

In a vacuum, I wouldn't care if true haters get demonized or beaten up. However, if that can happen to them, then it can happen to anybody. A dangerous precedent is being set. Furthermore, all of the condemnation that is being directed at the haters has also been directed at mainstream conservatives. We've all been called racists, Nazis, sexists, homophobes, haters, etc. So though were actually further away from Nazism than the people who advocate violence against Nazis, it won't be long before it becomes justifiable for us to get beaten up. All it takes is for the definition of terms and associations to "evolve" in order to fit the right political narrative and agenda.

Consider what has happened to the term "racist." That used to mean people who believed in an inherent superiority of one race over another. However, that didn't suit the right political agenda because it allowed the term to be directed at blacks who promote black nationalism (which much of the Left celebrates) and because the overwhelming majority of whites rejected such philosophies decades ago. So the "modern" (meaning phony) definition pitched by academics now includes this alleged "power" element to exclude minority groups from the definition and removed the inherent element to force more whites into the definition. Well that same redefinition can be done to turn all conservatives into haters. It's already being done.

 

[Monahorns]

Violence begets violence. If conservatives get beat for their beliefs, they will start carrying guns and defending themselves. Then it will really start to get ugly. I think that is what Antifa wants anyway.

 

[Joe Fan]

maybe time for a refresher?

 

[UTChE96]

maybe time for a refresher?

Good video but referring to Cuba as a democracy was pretty bizarre. Is it a democracy if you are jailed or killed if you vote for the wrong candidate?

 

[Joe Fan]

Good video but referring to Cuba as a democracy was pretty bizarre. Is it a democracy if you are jailed or killed if you vote for the wrong candidate?

He goes out of his way to say Cuba is the only real 'soclialist' state among the 4 examples he gave (Sweden, China, Bernie Sanders & Cuba). He uses the word 'democratic" is in the classical sense, that people are allowed to vote, do vote and, thus, the Cuban Govt is, on paper at least, run by elected politicians.

It's an interesting question how Cubans would vote on this if they had real choices and could vote (talk and think) freely. I like to think I know the answer but the truth is I don't know. We do have, however, a couple of real life historical examples. Example one is the former USSR states. Many folks living there, amazingly enough, still prefer the old system. The same is true of Spain post-Franco -- a lot of those people, particularly the older folks, liked Spain better the way Franco ran it (they may have been somewhat poor but there was regularity to everything and the streets were safe). So, I dont know how Cubans would answer that question if they could. I do think it's a great question and I would like to know the answer.

 

[Htown77]

True anarchy means no government at all and would be extremist far right. Anarchy is "absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal."

If Antifa is a combination of anarchists and communists, then those people are extremely confused and do not understand their own beliefs or the other group's beliefs.

 

[iatrogenic]

you forget that the only control over the insurance companies the government has are minimum services the plans have to offer. Everything else if private entity driven, including the payments made directly to the insurance provider. Obamacare simply created a marketplace for these providers to reach the customers. Forcing everyone to have insurance? I'll bring back the car insurance and license example. Again, that's socialism put in place to protect the victim of a car accident from recklessness of the person causing the accident. Applied to health insurance. You being forced to have insurance is to make sure I don't have to pay for your emergency room visit.

If you actually believe what you wrote, you are very ignorant of the entire insurance industry, government rules and regulations placed on that industry, and who makes payments to insurance providers under Obamacare. You are also way off base with your car insurance analogy.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

Dude was arrested for bringing 'a weapon' to try and kill Ben Shapiro for speaking in public at Cal

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

Here is some Ben Shapiro Q&A with audience on 'human fetus' and abortion

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[OUBubba]

A. I guess James Woods has recovered from being outed that he tried to hit up two 16 year olds?
B. I actually agree with you on the Berkley thing. If you disagree don't go. Or, buy a ticket and heckle him but this violence crap is crap. I mean, we can have OU-Texas at the Cotton Bowl with minimal violence.

 

[Seattle Husker]

A. I guess James Woods has recovered from being outed that he tried to hit up two 16 year olds?
B. I actually agree with you on the Berkley thing. If you disagree don't go. Or, buy a ticket and heckle him but this violence crap is crap. I mean, we can have OU-Texas at the Cotton Bowl with minimal violence.

It seems overall there was very little violence. Berkeley police arrested 7-9 people and have no reports of vandalism. I think the key was not allowing anyone with a mask near the venue. Take away the anonymity and the antifa will slink back into the shadows.

 

[Joe Fan]

Reports that the military wing of the Democratic Party (The Antifa, née the KKK) stabbed a Ben Shapiro fan in the neck last night

 

[Joe Fan]

A. I guess James Woods has recovered from being outed that he tried to hit up two 16 year olds?

Ironically enough, you are always coming with the middle school personal attack.

Or, buy a ticket and heckle him but this violence crap is crap. ...

The heckler's veto is also crap. See Fred Vinson in Feiner v. New York (1951).

 

[I35]

It seems overall there was very little violence.

It sounds to me they were giving orders to react and not allow. Allow meaning pretty much everything they wanted to do the last time would not be tolerated this time. This is how you handle the thuggery.

 

[Joe Fan]

Reports that the military wing of the Democratic Party (The Antifa, née the KKK) stabbed a Ben Shapiro fan in the neck last night......

I have read that the police banned masks at the Ben Shapiro speech in Berkeley. Which appears to have kept Antifa mayhem below what they usually cause (but not all of it, see above).

There is a historical precedent for this method. When the KKK was forced to leave their hoods at home, back in the day, the results were the same = a decrease in the violence.

The Antifa is the modern Klan and should be treated as such.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[OUBubba]

Ironically enough, you are always coming with the middle school personal attack.

I'm not the one trying to pork them...

 

[Joe Fan]

I'm not the one trying to pork them...

Points for consistency on the middle school lingo

 

[Seattle Husker]

Reports that the military wing of the Democratic Party (The Antifa, née the KKK) stabbed a Ben Shapiro fan in the neck last night

Has that been verified at all? That's clearly her waist length hair on the ground, not blood. I now some well known alt-right people have posted it but I haven't seen any reputable new source or police report to validate. In fact, the Berkeley Police Chief stated that no major altercations occurred.

 

[Joe Fan]

FBI: The chatter between Antifa and ISIS is “astronomical”

“As the Trump administration has demonstrated it’s serious about destroying the Islamic State, and depriving ISIS of territory in Iraq and Syria, the alliance between the American radicals and ISIS has grown even closer. The Internet chatter between the Americans and the Islamists is astronomical.

The FBI is really playing catchup ball, because the Obama administration refused to give the bureau the resources it needed to effectively infiltrate and surveil the radical groups on college campuses …

“Any talk of a connection between radical Islam—a phrase the Obama people wouldn’t even use—and American extremists was pretty much laughed off. [Former Attorney General] Loretta Lynch would have blown a gasket if she heard that the FBI was surveilling so-called college political organizations.

“All that has changed under the Trump administration. Everyone’s aware that the resistance movement, with its effort to get rid of Trump by any means necessary, has created fertile soil for ISIS and al-Qaeda to establish a beachhead in America.”​

Thanks again Obama

 

[Seattle Husker]

FBI: The chatter between Antifa and ISIS is “astronomical”

“As the Trump administration has demonstrated it’s serious about destroying the Islamic State, and depriving ISIS of territory in Iraq and Syria, the alliance between the American radicals and ISIS has grown even closer. The Internet chatter between the Americans and the Islamists is astronomical.

The FBI is really playing catchup ball, because the Obama administration refused to give the bureau the resources it needed to effectively infiltrate and surveil the radical groups on college campuses …

“Any talk of a connection between radical Islam—a phrase the Obama people wouldn’t even use—and American extremists was pretty much laughed off. [Former Attorney General] Loretta Lynch would have blown a gasket if she heard that the FBI was surveilling so-called college political organizations.

“All that has changed under the Trump administration. Everyone’s aware that the resistance movement, with its effort to get rid of Trump by any means necessary, has created fertile soil for ISIS and al-Qaeda to establish a beachhead in America.”​

Thanks again Obama

Does Ed Klein have any credibility left? I remember when he claimed Obama was a practicing Muslim, Bill raped Hillary, Hillary is a lesbian and other tabloid tripe. He's pushing this to sell his latest book, tweeting out excerpts from that passage over and over. Not a surprise it's become a rightwing blog talking point.