I agree the zeal to rout out bullies has made things worse. That zeal has angled the teachers and administrators of schools as the bully to the kids who are the actual bullies. End result is that schools can't remove poor behavior students from the classrooms so no wonder the bullies continue their terror.
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I agree the zeal to rout out bullies has made things worse. That zeal has angled the teachers and administrators of schools as the bully to the kids who are the actual bullies. End result is that schools can't remove poor behavior students from the classrooms so no wonder the bullies continue their terror.
I think the anti-bullying campaign was more of an excuse to do something that's really driven by greed. We encourage mental illness by molycoddling and celebrating emotional weakness. Why do that? Because the explosion of mental health (and special education diagnoses) means money. If you have some cockamamie disability, you can leverage that to your benefit very easily nowadays. However, in addition to that, your school gets additional money and resources thrown at it, so they encourage it pretty readily. And of course, it creates business for the medical and pharmaceutical industries as well. It's big business and big money.
Of course, bullying works against this. The bully doesn't pick on football players. He picks on kids who seem weak. Usually the victim takes the bullying in hopes the bully will get bored and stop. Sometimes he does, but when he doesn't, eventually the mentally and physically weak boy stops being weak and overcomes the bully (sometimes by kicking his ***). He suffers for awhile, but in the end, he develops emotional toughness. That's against the school's financial interests. They'd much rather he remain a big ***** and be diagnosed with disorders that they and others can financially exploit.
There's also a social agenda to anti-bullying. What was a big tactic of bullies back in the '80s and '90s? They'd call the victim a "***" or otherwise suggest they were queer. Obviously that stigmatized anyone who actually was gay, and when schools decided to start pushing the LGBTQ agenda in the '90s, it was very convenient to be able to frame it in an anti-bullying context.
No doubt. One of the best ways to deal with bullies was to take the "Board of Education" to his ***.
Coach had one of those boards with the holes drilled in it. Man oh man I was so scared of that thing. One rainy day he decided we would play a game where loser got a swat. I was so scared I thought I was going to wet myself. I cannot remember how many got a swat but I remember every one of them had tears - I was absolutely petrified. And yeah, I was basically a coward. I didn’t grow out of it till late in HS.
Monahorns
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Protecting boys from bullies, crushes their sense of adventure. I don't like bullies and don't think they should be allowed to seriously injure others. But identifying and facing bullies was a big part of growing up for me. It develops your sense of right and wrong. It develops your sense of proportional justice. It shows you the need for courage... or negotiation. All things boys must learn to be men.
I wouldn't say this part is working out for the schools since local schools are severely understaffed. Being allowed to have 10 more job postings for special ed teachers doesn't get the schools more resources as the posting sit their open. The special ed kids just sit in the room with the normal kids reeking havoc for peers and teachers.
It's all about degree. If the bully is physically assaulting another student, obviously that needs to be dealt with. However, if he's just acting like a jerk, making fun, etc., that's for the students to work out.
Another thing - this trend of both parties getting into trouble if there's a fight is ridiculous. That destroys any sense of right and wrong. If the bully hits his victim, and his victim kicks his ***, the bully should be in trouble, not the victim.
They find a way to make it work to their benefit. As for keeping the special ed kids with the normal kids, that's usually intentional, not a result of a lack of staff. The current trend is for so-called "inclusion" in special education - keeping the special ed kids in the same class with the normal kids. Obviously, this screws high achievers, but education isn't about them anymore. It's about making everybody "equal."
Nothing's perfect, but the school should attempt a reasonable inquiry to find out who was the bad apple. If a nice kid has been taking crap off of a bully for three months, grows a pair, and shuts the bully down, the nice generally kid shouldn't be in trouble. Obviously, there's a line. If the "nice kid" takes a baseball bat to the bully's face and puts him in the hospital (or in the cematary), obviously, he should be in trouble, but if he just punches him in self-defense, the nice kid shouldn't be in trouble.
Most ******* adults are so because the other kids didn't properly adjust him.
I don't remember anyone ever being suspended for fighting. There were three degrees of punishment:
1) To principal's office for lecture and three swats (not great but not bad)
2) To coaches' office for quick talking to and three swats (you wanted to stand the rest of the day)
3) To library for no talk, just her trying to drive the back pockets of your jeans through your penis. (your mom came to pick you up, take you home and sit in a tub of hot, soapy water to soak your jeans off.)
You would gladly take 5 of #1 or 2 of #2 rather than one of #3. Librarian was skinny lady whose husband was HC who won the HS a State Championship in football. She knew us all on a first name basis, ran the town swimming pool in the summer, and NEVER once said, "this is going to hurt me more than you".
I like those who say, "this is going to hurt you and not me."
That's part of the problem with social media. You can be an ******* and not suffer consequences for it. I think that has screwed up a lot of people. To quote that great public intellectual, Mike Tyson, "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."
We should all be as well spoken and wise as Tyson lol.
Instead we're just all going to fade into Bolivian.
Monahorns
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It's like public schools have been attacking the notion of self defense for a long time. This is not a coincidence in my mind.
Right here is an interesting and good thing:
Brittney Griner is off her knees and taking a stand for the national anthem
Brittney Griner is off her knees and taking a stand for the national anthem
Maybe after being imprisoned by a regime that truly is evil, she now understands that America isn't so bad.
My late father, a Cuban immigrant, taught me that very thing. When I'd have my "America is bad" hat on, he would say, "As opposed to whom?" He was a bit of a moral relativist, but in his mind, it was absolutely essential to rational judgments of others. I've said this before and I say it to Liberals: Imagine the world in the absence of America. The American hegemony is the true light BECAUSE of our power. Europe is impotent. As is the rest of the world except for Russia and China. Who keeps them at bay? WE DO.
So, maybe Brittney is seeing the light and understands that despite all our faults, we are the one's to celebrate, "as opposed to whom?"
I've said all along, I get the complaints about the police. I talk to my black co-workers, all degreed and regular people. To a man, they say they have been profiled more than once. So it's real. But my argument is that they should celebrate the flag and the anthem as THEIR STANDARD BEARER for the ideals that THEY hold dear. They should stand and wave it in the face of those who are true racists. Do not ask regular people to make the choice of laying their hand over their heart and the public lack of respect. It is a moment in time and when you ask people to make that choice, then you will lose them. Instead, judo the situation, and embrace the sacred moment of the union (the anthem and the flag) and disgrace those who are phony patriots (phony in the sense that they are racists) by demanding that those words and songs be held as truths that we hold as self-evident.
Because those words are good.
Griner was imprisoned for violating the law. Maybe spending time in prison taught a lesson, but the question will remain how long it lasts...
I'm willing to overlook everything and embrace an epiphany that is not divisive.
My money is on the next unarmed black man killed by police, justified or not. Also, has Griner answered the question now that's she back in the States of having drugs in Russia? I can see her having them, but I can also see Russia making it up. With a 99% Russian conviction rate, I put no stock in her guilty plea.
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