All 8 Big12 Teams Still in

Well Okie St. came in 2nd to last and didn't even make the conference tournament and they came within 6 outs of making a super regional. K State almost pulled the impossible in beating Rice at their field. While it is obvious the Big 12 lacks the number of top tier teams of the ACC and SEC, it still has the most parity of any conference. Our best aren't as good as their best, but our worst are way better than their worst. I can't see Kentucky, Miss St, Tennessee, Wake Forest, Va Tech, or Maryland making a run like that.
 
It doesn't bother me in the slightest that the Big12 is weaker than people thought. As long as Texas wins in the post-season, people can say what they want about the Big12.

Who cares if the conference is weak as long as we go deep in the playoffs? And we are poised to do just that.
 
It doesn't bother me that the Big XII stinks in the post season I just think it is interesting.

Actually the Big XII is rather second rate in all three major men's sports.
 
Not sure why you say Big XII is weak in all three major men's sports.

Texas has won 2 NC's in Baseball this decade.

Kansas won basketball last year. Big XII has had several final four teams this decade otherwise.

Texas won the NC in football in 2005 and OU in 2000. We have had several others finalists for the NC also.

Big XII is maybe the strongest conference when you add up all the three major sports.
 
The perceived quality (or lack thereof) of the Big XII DOES affect us. A good Big XII can be (and has been) good for our prospects. This year, the B12 was perceived to be strong, which is one reason why Texas received the #1 overall seed.

On the other hand, when Texas was the defending national champion in 2003, we were sent to #1 national seed FSU's Super (which means that effectively we were the #16 national seed). We got no respect at the time, because the B12 was perceived to be weak. Same thing in 2004 when we were sent to Ole Miss' Super.

We don't NEED the conference to be good, or more importantly to be perceived as good. But, it sure does help, in a very direct manner.
 
It's also alot easier to win a regional at home. Only blowu flunked that one. K State and Okie St actually beat regional champions 1 out of 3, so the Big 12 was damn close to having 3 in the Supers. And that's not counting blowu and aggy who were supposed ranked high this year before their collapses..
 
I am tired, so I might be forgetting, but has any conference had national champions in all 3 major sports in this century other than the Big XII?
 
yes, the SEC has won a championship in all three sports but just barely, LSU won the baseball title in 2000, you know Florida won the basketball title back to back recently and obviously football jebus at Florida won the title this year. The SEC is strong in football across the board, in baseball...ehh, they are OK, I think they are stronger than the BigXII this year..... but basketball we are even?

It really hurt the BigXII when Dave Van Horn left Nebraska and Steve Smith has not been as strong at Baylor for whatever reason, Larry Hayes retired out in Lubbock....all these things impacted our league but they will be back. I have no idea Why OU and aggy aren't strong, they have no excuses.
 
Not sure I count LSU since those "Gorilla ball" teams had the same issue as A-rod and Bonds.

I think the Pac-10 has won all three this century with USC in football, UCLA once in basketball, and Oregon State twice in baseball.
 
Yeah, i haven't read too much about LSU but figured those guys were heavily using that stuff back in the 90's with as many home runs as they were hitting. Don't know if the guy is still around but we had a guy at the corporate office that was on one of those teams and he says he doesn't keep up with them any more and doesn't ever really bring it up in conversation which I thought was odd, something he knows and ashamed of?

FWIW- one of the guys he was with brought it up and that's how I found out, but not from him.
 
What a funny thread. The aggies should have been better but choked like aggies and Texas was really the only team worth a crap in the whole league. When conference USA starts with 3 and has all three in the supers you really have to recognize that the committee was idiotic. Texas deserved its seed, and had the powder puffs the #1 deserves but oklahoma clearly did not and when you couple that with questionable admits for baylor and okie state and the complete collapse of the conference in the regionals I understand why the rest of the country thinks this was the worst effort by a committee since we went to this format. If TCU scores at all this weekend I will be shocked.
 
I'm sorry, but Army and BC were not powder puffs. Maybe on paper they were, but they proved to be formidable opponents.
 
Sorry I don't mean to start a ruckus here and I certainly don't want to offer anything but praise for the Horns or belittle a great weekend. I just think that perspective is important and the facts are that everyone else (outside the big 12) thinks the conference was given special treatment as a result of the big 12 guy (albeit KSU) being in charge and the committee changing the rules to allow members to lobby for their own teams and stay in the room during the discussions-the first time this has been done in the super regional era. Thus the bar was higher for the big 12 and they clearly did not live up to it. KSU did made a regional final, but they were pretty much obliterated for the last 18 innings they played against Rice and after Morris did not have much. Only Texas lived up to its potential and I'm not sure that drawing TCU is that great of a challenge. After all they couldn't beat Utah a couple of weeks back.
 
The people who wanted to see the B12 fail will view the regionals as a failure, regardless of the actual outcomes.

But their hypocrisy is humorous, given that those same people felt Oklahoma State didn't deserve to be in the tournament at all, and yet the Cowboys took control of their regional and took it all the way to the second final game on Monday, which they came darn close to winning. If that doesn't show strength, then I'm not sure what does?

According to the alleged bias the committee showered upon the B12, only Oklahoma did not live up to its seeding and advance to the Supers. And, I suppose you could say that, by seeding, A&M should have won one more game in its regional rather than losing the early game on Sunday, but they still weren't supposed to advance to the Supers.

Like I said before, I'm disappointed that more B12 teams didn't advance to the Supers, because I truly believe that the perception of the B12 as a strong conference will always be better for Texas. But anyone who views the weekend's regional activity as some kind of major failure for the B12 has his own agenda he is pushing that has nothing to do with the actual outcomes of games.

At the end of the day, all I care about is Texas, and the Horns advanced despite some rough patches. Now I want to see the team beat the hell outta TCU!
 
Let's be objective about how the Big 12 fared against the seeding:
UT - Seeded 1, Finish 1
Aggy - Seeded 2, Finished 3
OSU - Seeded 3, Finished 2
OU - Seeded 1, Finished 2
Mizzou - Seeded 2, Finished 3
Kansas - Seeded 2, Finished 2
Baylor - Seeded 3, Finished 3

So, 5 teams met expectations, 1 exceeded expectations, and 2 perform less-well than expected. Nothing to cheer about, but certainly not a collapse.

I suppose you could argue style points - as seems that a few of the Big 12 teams not only got beat, but blown out of their last game.
 
Bottom line is, there were three questionable picks by the NCAA committee: Giving at-large bids to OSU and Baylor, and giving a national seed to OU. Of those 3, OSU outperformed and Baylor held their own. Both of them beat higher-seeded teams and clearly showed that they deserved their bids. No story there.

OU is the only weak link. They were at best a 9-16 seed, and even then, Virginia deserved to host more than Okie did.

Thus, one bad call on the committee's part. This does very little to balance out the pro-Southeast bias they've shown for the past decade.
 
I agree with roofless. There have been far more egregious actions by the seeding committee than putting eight Big12 teams in this year.
 
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