A Brief Account of the Destruction of the Indies

[OrngNugz]

"What "makes no sense" is the ignorant and racist concept of ethnic guilt by association that you peddle. It's stupid and dangerous."

When I do it its stupid and dangerous when 45 does it you stand and applaud him. Crazy isn't it? And btw I did it once on this post just to get you triggered you snowflake.

 

[Mr. Deez]

When I do it its stupid and dangerous when 45 does it you stand and applaud him. Crazy isn't it? And btw I did it once on this post just to get you triggered you snowflake.

When did I stand and applaud him? I criticized Trump countless times here for attacking the Khan family, proposing a Muslim ban, his comments toward women, generalizing about Mexicans and even illegal immigrants, and his tirade about Judge Curiel. I've been consistent here. I've even taken your side before on Trump. You're the one who has been inconsistent here, not me.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

Quakers were Welsh correct? You are saying that quakers dont have blood on their hands, is that what your saying. They escaped "religious persecution" in England only to persecute the indigenous tribes in America.

Thanks to Quaker policy we had the Camp Grant massacre : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Grant_massacre

Go ahead and bring up something else that makes no sense though to move your self perpetuating ignorance forwards.

So what you seem to be so brilliantly pointing out is that no matter what tribe any of us belong to, we ALL descend from someone in the past that committed atrocities to gain money, land, power, sex, etc.

The world was (and in some places, still is) a harsh place. Every civilization on earth has at one time or another been the aggressor on a large and small scale. Every civilization on earth at some point employed the tactic of raping and killing in public and savage ways to scare the next village into submitting. It has only been in the last two hundred years that any societies started looking at "others" as equal and human. Prior to that, it was ALWAYS a dog eat dog world and the rule was "if you can take, it is yours".

 

[ProdigalHorn]

When did I stand and applaud him? I criticized Trump countless times here for attacking the Khan family, proposing a Muslim ban, his comments toward women, generalizing about Mexicans and even illegal immigrants, and his tirade about Judge Curiel. I've been consistent here. I've even taken your side before on Trump. You're the one who has been inconsistent here, not me.

Quiet. He's busy generalizing. You white people don't read very well, do you?

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

******* honkeys.

 

[ProdigalHorn]

BTW I utilized my white privilege by co-opting Mexican culture to eat at Taco Bell. Although it may be that Mexico is more than happy to cede Taco Bell over to make it American food. But tortillas and corn shells were involved. I did not pull up to the window wearing a sombrero, so I felt quite enlightened.

 

[ProdigalHorn]

The world was (and in some places, still is) a harsh place. Every civilization on earth has at one time or another been the aggressor on a large and small scale. Every civilization on earth at some point employed the tactic of raping and killing in public and savage ways to scare the next village into submitting. It has only been in the last two hundred years that any societies started looking at "others" as equal and human. Prior to that, it was ALWAYS a dog eat dog world and the rule was "if you can take, it is yours".

His issue is that in his mind, one skin color was apparently more successful at it than others.

 

[Brad Austin]

when 45 does it you stand and applaud him

Auntie Maxine, did you sneak back in here under a new name again?

 

[mchammer]

It is a well know fact that Cristóbal Colón ( non revisionist real name) raped, murdered and kidnapped natives on his first voyage. He may not have cut down babies as the suckled on their mothers breasts like others but he was/is still a monster.

Look up Black Legend. Most of these tales were advanced by the Dutch and English who were Spain's rivals in the 1500's. Not going to be accurate.

 

[mchammer]

http://www.gradesaver.com/lies-my-t...-treat-the-indians-on-his-first-voyage-237394

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus
"Columbus kidnapped about 10 to 25 natives and took them back with him (only seven or eight of the natives arrived in Spain alive)"

So you are denying he kidnapped indigenous peoples? If you kidnap someone and they die on your watch its pretty much murder right? If your willing to kidnap and murder people then rape is no big deal?

It is also a well know fact President 45 is a Moron but go ahead and keep burying your head in the sand.

What if they died of germ theory which the Europeans were not aware of?

 

[OUBubba]

I am part Indian and Columbus Day is interesting. I just think it's stupid to celebrate the guy with a federal holiday when A) he wasn't the guy who actually discovered this new world and B) he thought he was f'n India.

All of our ancestors are guilty of atrocities, sadly.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I am part Indian and Columbus Day is interesting. I just think it's stupid to celebrate the guy with a federal holiday when A) he wasn't the guy who actually discovered this new world and B) he thought he was f'n India.

All of our ancestors are guilty of atrocities, sadly.

Barry is actually making a sensible point here.

 

[OUBubba]

Barry is actually making a sensible point here.

I bet that left a mark.

 

[mchammer]

I bet that left a mark.

I'll tip a Fletcher's corny dog in your general direction this weekend.

 

[OrngNugz]

What if they died of germ theory which the Europeans were not aware of?

They were kidnapped and died on their watch, does it matter what they died from to call it murder?

 

[mchammer]

They were kidnapped and died on their watch, does it matter what they died from to call it murder?

Columbus left 30 men on Hispaniola after his first voyage. They all died - their skeletons were found when Columbus returned. I suppose that was murder too under your definition.

 

[OrngNugz]

Columbus left 30 men on Hispaniola after his first voyage. They all died - their skeletons were found when Columbus returned. I suppose that was murder too under your definition.

Sure, you can blame Columbus for those as well. The indigenous certainly didn't force them to stay so If Columbus did force this then I would say he is responsible. I know its hard for you to understand but I will try. If I force you to do something and you die as a result of me forcing you to do whatever it was then its pretty much murder. Comprede?

 

[mchammer]

Sure, you can blame Columbus for those as well. The indigenous certainly didn't force them to stay so If Columbus did force this then I would say he is responsible. I know its hard for you to understand but I will try. If I force you to do something and you die as a result of me forcing you to do whatever it was then its pretty much murder. Comprede?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. My point was that I doubt those 30 men died of natural causes. Which means, someone must have ______ed them.

 

[mchammer]

Sure, you can blame Columbus for those as well. The indigenous certainly didn't force them to stay so If Columbus did force this then I would say he is responsible. I know its hard for you to understand but I will try. If I force you to do something and you die as a result of me forcing you to do whatever it was then its pretty much murder. Comprede?

So, are you claiming the natives didn't have slaves?

 

[OrngNugz]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. My point was that I doubt those 30 men died of natural causes. Which means, someone must have ______ed them.

I would say this would be self defense, they were there raping and killing others who would be friends/family. So if they are raping your wife and killing your brothers and kids then killing them is not murder but self defense. Are you really this dense, your really making this argument?

 

[OrngNugz]

So, are you claiming the natives didn't have slaves?

Never calmed that, they murdered others just not these guys.

 

[Brad Austin]

Can't we just cut to the chase. Whitey is a uniquely evil creature who unlike the countless other invaders of lands before him committed unrivaled atrocities against the current inhabitants.

Whitey is evil and all modern whiteys should atone for the unparalleled sins of the whiteys before him. Forfeit your culture, shun your ancestors, and constantly strive to make amends for your privilege.

Everyday you rise at dawn, put in a hard days work, and struggle with life problems like most others, you're just living an unfairly privileged, discriminatory existence and should be ashamed you were born Caucasian.

 

[OrngNugz]

Can't we just cut to the chase. Whitey is a uniquely evil creature who unlike the countless other invaders of lands before him committed unrivaled atrocities against the current inhabitants.

Whitey is evil and all modern whiteys should atone for the unparalleled sins of the whiteys before him. Forfeit your culture, shun your ancestors, and constantly strive to make amends for your privilege.

Everyday you rise at dawn, put in a hard days work, and struggle with life problems like most others, you're just living an unfairly privileged, discriminatory existence and should be ashamed you were born Caucasian.

When Whitey sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

 

[ProdigalHorn]

And some, I assume, are good people.

You'd have to assume, since there's no evidence any white people are actually good, right?

 

[Mr. Deez]

When Whitey sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

I have to admit I chuckled at this.

 

[mchammer]

I would say this would be self defense, they were there raping and killing others who would be friends/family. So if they are raping your wife and killing your brothers and kids then killing them is not murder but self defense. Are you really this dense, your really making this argument?

Here's my argument:
-90% minimum of natives died of disease. Squanto up in Cape Cod lost his whole village to disease, and this was done via sparse contact with European fishing fleets.
-Natives were no saints. Aztecs sacrificed up to a million men, women and children
-The Caribe Indians chased the Taino Indians out of the lesser Antilles, capturing women for slaves.
-Tribes in the New World were in constant warfare, much like Europe.
-All written history is biased, particularly against the Spanish in that period as they were most powerful.
Bottom line - all the evidence supports that the Europeans didn't act any more hostile or atrocious than their contemporaries. Heck, they massacared each other in the New World (see the massacre of French settlers in 1565 outside of St Augustine Fl at Matanzas Creek by the Spanish - part of long running fued between Spain and France. This was only 75 years after the founding of New Spain in the Americas). History is filled with atrocities - just focusing on this or that misses the bigger picture.

 

[nashhorn]

Idi Amin ring any bells?

 

[OUBubba]

Here's my argument:
-90% minimum of natives died of disease. Squanto up in Cape Cod lost his whole village to disease, and this was done via sparse contact with European fishing fleets.
-Natives were no saints. Aztecs sacrificed up to a million men, women and children
-The Caribe Indians chased the Taino Indians out of the lesser Antilles, capturing women for slaves.
-Tribes in the New World were in constant warfare, much like Europe.
-All written history is biased, particularly against the Spanish in that period as they were most powerful.
Bottom line - all the evidence supports that the Europeans didn't act any more hostile or atrocious than their contemporaries. Heck, they massacared each other in the New World (see the massacre of French settlers in 1565 outside of St Augustine Fl at Matanzas Creek by the Spanish - part of long running fued between Spain and France. This was only 75 years after the founding of New Spain in the Americas). History is filled with atrocities - just focusing on this or that misses the bigger picture.

Tribalism. Romans, gauls, etc. Takes me back to my initial thought of why do we have a federal holiday recognizing a guy for something that he didn't do.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

Tribalism. Romans, gauls, etc. Takes me back to my initial thought of why do we have a federal holiday recognizing a guy for something that he didn't do.

I think that's why it is a federal holiday that hardly anyone takes off of work, hardly any sales at Lowes and virtually no costuming or parties at the elementary school for Columbus Day. It wasn't a big deal until the left made it a big deal.

Now its a big deal because the left keeps trying to chip away at all the customs and rituals that I grew up with and I think are part of American culture. We aren't perfect but we've done a lot of good things based on core principles that evolved from our past. You can't keep pulling at all the threads and not expect the quilt to unravel at some point. If the left keeps pulling at all the threads of American history and keeps finding new ways to be offended and keeps demanding that all remnants of our history are judged by todays supposed standard of sensitivity and equality then we will end up with this muted future where the only statues are 'modern art'. But I sure as hell won't stand by and let them erect statues to Malcolm X and Ray Rice while we are tearing down Robert E Lee. I won't let them hold gay pride parades while I can't say Merry Christmas. etc, etc.

 

[Joe Fan]