3 Cheers for our good ally Israel! Est. 1200 BC

[Garmel]

This Megatron cat is cheering on Hamas, Iran, China, and Hezbollah.

 

[Monahorns]

All these articles cite the biggest Israel newspaper, Haaretz. You may not agree with the viewpoints of the news sites in the links. That's fine. But they all use an actual IDF report which Haaretz broke.

IDF combat helicopter targeting Hamas fighters at Nova festival massacre shot some partygoers by mistake, says Haaretz

Israel admits it killed its own at Nova music festival

Report reveals IDF helicopter struck festival participants during Hamas attack on Oct. 7

Israeli helicopter opened fire on Israelis in festival during Hamas attack on Oct. 7: Report

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...ival-during-hamas-attack-on-october-7-report/

 

[Garmel]

They all mention a report coming from Haaretz. What do we know about this Haaretz news? Is it trustworthy?

 

[Garmel]

We've already seen American news agencies like the NY Times spew Hamas propaganda like the hospital stuff. Is this more of it or actually real?

 

[Monahorns]

It is like BBC news in the UK. It is the biggest news organization in Israel. It provides the mainstream view in Israel. That doesn't mean it is always correct. This report may not be. But it is a serious source that is definitely not from a Palestinian perspective.

 

[Monahorns]

We've already seen American news agencies like the NY Times spew Hamas propaganda like the hospital stuff. Is this more of it or actually real?

Of course. I think the important thing is to read news from the different sources and directions to try to triangulate what is truth. It is hard to understand during war as it is happening because both sides will use propaganda to convince the public to support their side. You can't really trust Israeli supporting sources or Palestinian supporting sources. Haaretz is a more of an Israeli supporting source reporting something negative about Israel so my antennae perked up.

It isn't clear if the IDF is still using this but, they have followed the "Hannibal directive" in hostage situations. This could be an example of that.

 

[Monahorns]

Btw, just look at this tweet this Megatron guy just reposted on his site.

OMG! That means Haaretz' report isn't true! The only reason I used his tweet is because he referenced a report from the Israeli BBC.

 

[Monahorns]

Here's another gem from his site.

Yeah. I agree with you on this. Championing China is wrong. I don't think China is a threat to the US. But I also don't think China is an actor in good faith in the world.

 

[Monahorns]

This Megatron cat is cheering on Hamas, Iran, China, and Hezbollah.

You have to look at what both sides are saying to see if you can make out what is true. Again, I only used his tweet because he referenced mainstream Israeli news media.

 

[Garmel]

OMG! That means Haaretz' report isn't true! The only reason I used his tweet is because he referenced a report from the Israeli BBC.

Cool. Why didn't you just go to the Haaretz site than using an anti-Semitic site than says Jews were behind 9/11.

 

[Monahorns]

Because that is what popped up in my twitter feed. The original link had a tweet so I thought there was the direct reference, but as you found out it was all in Hebrew. I don't read Hebrew that well so I looked for other links back to that initial report.

 

[Horn6721]

Haaretz is very left leaning and despises Netanyahu. Very much like NYT and WaPo hate Trump and have posted many stories that have been proven false.

 

[Monahorns]

Haaretz is very left leaning and despises Netanyahu. Very much like NYT and WaPo hate Trump and have posted many stories that have been proven false.

That is true of every mainstream news service. Like I said it is the Jewish BBC.

If you read the article if references a police investigation which came to the conclusion, so the actual source isn't Haaretz but Israeli police.

And it isn't just Haaretz that despises Netanyahu. A significant majority of Israelis have been calling for his resignation for corruption.

 

[LonghornCatholic]

 

[Garmel]

 

[Monahorns]

How do we know this worked? Are there pictures or videos showing the bodies of Hamas washed out of the tunnels? I have seen videos of the tunnels, fair enough, but where are the bodies and equipment that is supposed to be down there?

 

[Chop]

Upthread, I suggested Israel consider flooding the tunnels. Looks like they are now doing it.

What's more, it turns out that Egypt has also flooded the Gaza tunnels in the past to stop Hamas. And it worked.

Egypt floods Gaza tunnels used for smuggling

 

[guy4321]

Upthread, I suggested Israel consider flooding the tunnels. Looks like they are now doing it.

What's more, it turns out that Egypt has also flooded the Gaza tunnels in the past to stop Hamas. And it worked.

Egypt floods Gaza tunnels used for smuggling

If you suggest something, does Israel always do it? Are you Netanyahu?

 

[Chop]

If you suggest something, does Israel always do it? Are you Netanyahu?

It's just good to know that the Knesset or the IDF reads Hornfans.com

 

[Chop]

"Useful Idiot for Hamas..."

‘Useful idiot for Hamas’: Greta Thunberg attends anti-Israel rally chanting ‘Crush Zionism’

 

[Chop]

TRUMP PRESSES FOR THE RELEASE OF AMERICAN HOSTAGES HELD BY TERRORIST GROUP HAMAS

Trump hammers Biden over freed Hamas hostages, wonders where the Americans are

Where are our 10 American hostages? We have a Jimmy Carter type situation with American hostages being held by some yahoo freaks in the Middle East. We're the sort of Nation that generally doesn't put up with that sort of thing for long...

 

[Chop]

Now here's a happy moment, in the midst of all this crap:

 

[Chop]

Jewish teacher in Queens terrorized by high school students who storm halls · American Wire News

“It went from a teacher just changing a photograph on her social profile to this contagion of hate being released in the halls of Hillcrest High School,” he said. “It’s a sad commentary on the rancid hate that exists within the hearts of students — for Jews.”

 

[Chop]

More info on the hostages that have recently been released by terrorist group Hamas:
(Hamas is getting even more desperate)

Who are the released hostages?

 

[Chop]

She had her 9th birthday while being held hostage by Hamas:

I hope she gets a super-special party now that she's back.

 

[Chop]

Noam Or (17) and Alma Or (13), both just released. But the terrorists still hold their dad hostage... Their mother was murdered by Hamas at the Kibbutz on October 7. They just found out that their mother had been murdered after their release.

 

[Chop]

Per a deal involving Thailand, Egypt, and Qatar, Hamas is freeing a bunch of the Thai Nationals that they hold hostage. The Thai minister visited Qatar on 10/31.

Around 12 Thai hostages released in separate Qatar-Egypt mediated deal with Hamas -source

 

[mchammer]

Per a deal involving Thailand, Egypt, and Qatar, Hamas is freeing a bunch of the Thai Nationals that they hold hostage. The Thai minister visited Qatar on 10/31.

Around 12 Thai hostages released in separate Qatar-Egypt mediated deal with Hamas -source

The Thais were farm workers. Many were murdered.

 

[Chop]

The Thais were farm workers. Many were murdered.

Unfortunately, many were murdered. Of course, that's what Hamas does--murder.

Fortunately, some are being freed.

 

[Chop]

Mother (Raya Rotem) and Daughter (Hila Rotem). Daughter released. Mother still held.