2024 GOP Primary

Mr. Deez said:
However, when the people who most have a reason to take something to court and don't make every effort to do so, that's a good reason to doubt the merits of it.
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The reason why that is because anybody who tries to push election fraud in court will more than likely get sanctions put on them along with their lawyers. It's already happened to Lake and her lawyers once already. Lawyers are scared to take cases now.

To me I don't understand how anybody right of center can still think elections are on the up and up. We've seen stuff in the last two election cycles things that never have happened before.
 
Hollandtx said:
My fear is Trump loses the nomination, his ego can't take it, and he runs as an Independent with his 30% Always Trumpers voting for him. The Republican vote is split, and whoever the Dems put up will win easily.
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Nearly 40 states have sore loser laws, meaning if a candidate is registered for a primary, then the candidate cannot register for the general election. Your scenario is impossible since a candidate has to be registered far in advance of the primary. Surprised you didn’t know this.
 
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Mr D
I did not know about a "loser law". So if you register in a state that requires you to choose a political party You can then vote for whomever you choose in Genera right?
I don't understand what you mean.
 
Horn6721 said:
Mr D
I did not know about a "loser law". So if you register in a state that requires you to choose a political party You can then vote for whomever you choose in Genera right?
I don't understand what you mean.
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No, referring to the candidate.
 
mchammer said:
Nearly 40 states have sore loser laws, meaning if a candidate is registered for a primary, then the candidate cannot register for the general election. Your scenario is impossible since a candidate has to be registered far in advance of the primary. Surprised you didn’t know this.
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The sore loser laws are full of holes. For starters, many do not apply to presidential candidates. In addition, I don't think they preclude someone from running as a write-in candidate. They may complicate things for him in some states, but they aren't strong enough to keep him from denying the presidency to the GOP. Remember that John Anderson did it in 1980. It failed, but it wasn't because of sore loser laws.
 
Garmel said:
The reason why that is because anybody who tries to push election fraud in court will more than likely get sanctions put on them along with their lawyers. It's already happened to Lake and her lawyers once already. Lawyers are scared to take cases now.

To me I don't understand how anybody right of center can still think elections are on the up and up. We've seen stuff in the last two election cycles things that never have happened before.
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They weren't pushing them in '20 either - before anyone was sanctioned. Most of the initial fillings were dismissed on procedural grounds (without any sanctions) that could have been cured.
 
Mr. Deez said:
They weren't pushing them in '20 either - before anyone was sanctioned. Most of the initial fillings were dismissed on procedural grounds (without any sanctions) that could have been cured.
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They thought that getting on procedural wrongdoings was more effective than going the election fraud route because of time restraints in 2020. Trump's team mentioned this. Let's face it. After the J6 event that was a dead end anyway.
 
Garmel said:
They thought that getting on procedural wrongdoings was more effective than going the election fraud route because of time restraints in 2020. Trump's team mentioned this. Let's face it. After the J6 event that was a dead end anyway.
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The procedural grounds are what got the cases dismissed, not a strategy for moving them forward.
 
Maybe I asked the question wrong.
Mr D Do you think the 2020 election that gave Biden the win was not manipulated or interfered with to a degree we have never seen before?
 
Horn6721 said:
Maybe I asked the question wrong.
Mr D Do you think the 2020 election that gave Biden the win was not manipulated or interfered with to a degree we have never seen before?
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It depends on what you mean. The big manipulation was by the media. They bullshat people at an unprecedented level.
 
Mr. Deez said:
The procedural grounds are what got the cases dismissed, not a strategy for moving them forward.
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You did see what happened in the Pennsylvania mail ballot case? It got to the SCOTUS and they said it was moot. Thomas was hot.

It was the right strategy but SCOTUS didn't care.

Election fraud investigations take too long. There are some from 2020 still going on.
 
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Mr. Deez said:
I went to bed at 11 (5 pm your time). I actually had no booze. I drove to Salisbury last night and got a hotel room. Deez, Jr. and I are visiting the Salisbury Cathedral (which has the best preserved original of the Magna Carta) and Stonehenge today. Mrs. Deez is in Belton visiting her mom, who had a medical scare.
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I was going to post the obligatory Homer "Boring" clip, but sorry to hear about your mother in law. Hope all is well.
 
horninchicago said:
I was going to post the obligatory Homer "Boring" clip, but sorry to hear about your mother in law. Hope all is well.
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Thanks. It was a scare, but it looks like she's ok. The wife is flying home from Austin tonight, and I'm picking her up at LHR in the morning. (By the way, LHR is a beating, and the fees are an ***-rape. We bought the ticket with frequent flier miles, and I still had pay £300 (almost $400) in airport fees.)
 
Mr. Deez said:
Thanks. It was a scare, but it looks like she's ok. The wife is flying home from Austin tonight, and I'm picking her up at LHR in the morning. (By the way, LHR is a beating, and the fees are an ***-rape. We bought the ticket with frequent flier miles, and I still had pay £300 (almost $400) in airport fees.)
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Good deal.

Yeah, I'm glad we don't go there...yet.
 
Garmel said:
You did see what happened in the Pennsylvania mail ballot case? It got to the SCOTUS and they said it was moot. Thomas was hot.

It was the right strategy but SCOTUS didn't care.
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Do you know why they thought it was moot?

Garmel said:
Election fraud investigations take too long. There are some from 2020 still going on.
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Do they really take too long, or do we (myself included) all say they take too long because we don't want to think about what the appropriate remedy would look like if a case succeeded?
 
Mr. Deez said:
Do you know why they thought it was moot?



Do they really take too long, or do we (myself included) all say they take too long because we don't want to think about what the appropriate remedy would look like if a case succeeded?
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The decision wasn't moot because the breaking of the law not only affected this election but it also affected future elections. A very cowardly decision.

Lake has overwhelming evidence of fraud and she too will probably get screwed by the courts.

The courts do not want to deal with a constitutional crisis.

This will be my last statement on this matter. We're not going to argue about this for days. :p
 
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Garmel said:
The decision wasn't moot because the breaking of the law not only affected this election but it also affected future elections. A very cowardly decision.

Lake has overwhelming evidence of fraud and she too will probably get screwed by the courts.

The courts do not want to deal with a constitutional crisis.

This will be my last statement on this matter. We're not going to argue about this for days. :p
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If you don't want to talk further about it, that's fine. However, I was referring to why they believed it was moot. My understanding is that there weren't enough ballots at issue to affect the outcome.

I would agree that they made the wrong call, not because it wasn't moot but because there's an exception to the mootness doctrine. If something is capable of repetition while evading review, the Court is supposed to decide on the merits. This case seems to fit that exception. However, it looks like the same or similar issue is going to come up in the independent state legislature theory case that will be reviewed.
 
Well I’d vote for her over Graham and a few others, just sayin she may not be my candidate of choice but there are definitely things about her I like.
 
I agree with Run Pincher. Haley probably can't win the nomination to head the GOP ticket, but she would make a nice addition to DeSantis. IMO that ticket would be a winner - I don't see any competitive ticket the Dems can field that would beat DeSantis/Haley. And that ticket would probably bring some long coattails for candidates down the ballot. And that's very important - with the Dems defending far more Senate seats, the chances of taking the Senate are excellent.
 
Viper
Maybe but I like the idea of a Governor running, especially from a large complicated state. Scott might make a good VP to DeSantis. I think I would like him over Haley.
 
I generally like Haley, and I think most Republicans do. However, she's a victim of being nobody's first choice, whether you're of the Trump wing, the traditional conservative wing, or the moderate/corporate wing. Trump is there. Desantis will be there. Probably some moderate will be there. That'll leave her as everyone's second, third, or fourth choice, which means she has no chance. However, it could also mean that she could be a decent consensus running mate no matter who wins the nomination.
 
Horn6721 said:
Viper
Maybe but I like the idea of a Governor running, especially from a large complicated state. Scott might make a good VP to DeSantis. I think I would like him over Haley.
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I generally agree 6721, but I am not sure DeSantis will have a sufficient following across the country (a lot of people in the West do not trust anyone from FLA). Pompeo is the most qualified to be President of all of the Republicans (HHD don't hold that USMA degree against him), but he lacks name and accomplishment recognition. Scott's and Haley's demographics are everywhere.

Whoever it is, has to capture the independent and college-educated women's vote.
 
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