2022 Recruiting - Football

OC,

Did I miss a rule change? In my day, DKR had multiple players on scholarships that were academic or something other than scholastic. Subsequently (70s I think), the NCAA said that football players on scholastic scholarships counted against the 150/120/115/85. Is that no longer the case?
 
SabreHorn said:
OC,

Did I miss a rule change? In my day, DKR had multiple players on scholarships that were academic or something other than scholastic. Subsequently (70s I think), the NCAA said that football players on scholastic scholarships counted against the 150/120/115/85. Is that no longer the case?
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I am not sure I quite understand your category names (scholastic vs academic, etc.), although they may be accurate. I believe it was when they went to the 85 man football athletic scholarship limit, they also changed the rule that required any student who participated in a game to be on a football scholarship to avoid teams loading up with 85 football scholarships and 150 more on academic scholarships, and all playing games. The less primary sports (such as softball, swimming, etc.) can have athletes on partials and mixes of different scholarships.

A few years back, Baylor was talking to us about my daughter (softball pitcher) getting a 15% softball athletic scholarship and an 85% academic scholarship. She was a 3.5 GPA student and this incensed my son who was already at Baylor on an 80% academic scholarship after a HS career with a 4.5 GPA. I tried to explain to him that the reason was he didn't have a 66 mph fastball and for some reason, he just couldn't understand how athletic performance could affect academic scholarship money. Ah, the idealism and naivete' of youth.
 
OrangeClad said:
I like that the smart kid wants to come to UT, but PWO players don't pay their own way. They typically get a full ride, just like the other 85 players do. The difference is that it is not a football scholarship, or even an athletic scholarship. In this kid's case, it is easy because he likely qualifies for full ride academic $, but even if he didn't and they wanted him, they would find him an existing program or make something up like basket weaving(old joke). As long they the PWO does no step on the field during a game, it is fine. As soon as a PWO enters a game, they must be converted to a football scholarship. It works the same way if they are a multi-sport athlete and are on scholarship for another sport, but step on the football field. They, too would then be required to convert to one of the 85 football scholarships.

I think it is a great deal. A bunch of kids get a free education and can participate in the football activities, practice, work hard and perhaps, someday develop into someone who can play in games and earn a football scholarship in doing so. The football program gets to hand pick a practice squad with guys that also enhance their locker room with guys who possess high level skills that could develop into a game day player. The program can afford to take PWO risks on guys who are younger, have not played very long but show promise, have not been developed very well in HS, or who look really good but are a step slow, an inch or two short or who have not yet put on enough weight. It's a win-win.
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Sometimes I am dolt, thanks yes makes sense a kid who can get into Harvard can get an academic.
I assumed all PWOs were on their own dime.
 
OrangeClad said:
I am not sure I quite understand your category names (scholastic vs academic, etc.), although they may be accurate. I believe it was when they went to the 85 man football athletic scholarship limit, they also changed the rule that required any student who participated in a game to be on a football scholarship to avoid teams loading up with 85 football scholarships and 150 more on academic scholarships, and all playing games. The less primary sports (such as softball, swimming, etc.) can have athletes on partials and mixes of different scholarships.

A few years back, Baylor was talking to us about my daughter (softball pitcher) getting a 15% softball athletic scholarship and an 85% academic scholarship. She was a 3.5 GPA student and this incensed my son who was already at Baylor on an 80% academic scholarship after a HS career with a 4.5 GPA. I tried to explain to him that the reason was he didn't have a 66 mph fastball and for some reason, he just couldn't understand how athletic performance could affect academic scholarship money. Ah, the idealism and naivete' of youth.
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If I recall correctly, years ago USoCal had players on soccer scholarships and no soccer team!
 
Non revenue sports are treated totally differently than football. I believe that football players, walkon or full ride, cannot be on academic scholarship unless it counts against the 85 total.

All other sports get a total of "X" scholarships worth a total of "$Y". That money can be split among players. For example, Gus had a walkon infielder who got $250 from Gus and another block of money from the academic side, but it did not total up to enough to cover all the expenses that a single football player received. If I remember correctly, Gus had money divided amongst 25-35 kids.
 
OrangeClad said:
I am not sure I quite understand your category names (scholastic vs academic, etc.), although they may be accurate. I believe it was when they went to the 85 man football athletic scholarship limit, they also changed the rule that required any student who participated in a game to be on a football scholarship to avoid teams loading up with 85 football scholarships and 150 more on academic scholarships, and all playing games. The less primary sports (such as softball, swimming, etc.) can have athletes on partials and mixes of different scholarships.

A few years back, Baylor was talking to us about my daughter (softball pitcher) getting a 15% softball athletic scholarship and an 85% academic scholarship. She was a 3.5 GPA student and this incensed my son who was already at Baylor on an 80% academic scholarship after a HS career with a 4.5 GPA. I tried to explain to him that the reason was he didn't have a 66 mph fastball and for some reason, he just couldn't understand how athletic performance could affect academic scholarship money. Ah, the idealism and naivete' of youth.
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Recruit a track guy on tuition and books; need speed or jumping ability let him play football. Once that is a done deal he counts towards the football scholarship limit.
 
PomPoms with the poop. Ain't like it's my opinion, it's the idiots formerly residing in Shawnee Mission, and now in Indianapolis making the rules, yet the military academies get 300 appointments for athletes and Osborne used to have 225.
 
SabreHorn said:
PomPoms with the poop. Ain't like it's my opinion, it's the idiots formerly residing in Shawnee Mission, and now in Indianapolis making the rules, yet the military academies get 300 appointments for athletes and Osborne used to have 225.
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My apologies Sabre. I must have accidently hit that when scrolling.
 
Pomspoms said:
Wow, if and when we get Campbell, this o-line class would be rated A++++. Much more than what i expected!
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I am hoping, as well. However, if UT getting Campbell was a foregone conclusion, it would have happened in December. There was no reason to hold out until 4pm on the last signing day if he was satisfied and knew where he wanted to go. I don't believe it is as "for-sure" as some believe. I just hope it happens now and we have not lost out not only on him, but others we chose not to bring in because we were trying to keep him on the hook for the last 7 weeks.
 
Just to make sure everyone has proper perspective on our '22 oline recruiting and the possibility of adding Campbell..

Quote from 247 (the first part in particular)..

"...And if they do indeed add Devon ‘DJ’ Campbell, it’ll be the best offensive line haul in the country. And you put that with a terrific defensive group, and they got a chance to really ‘iron sharpen iron’ practice with this group, and it’ll be exciting to see what they can grow into.”

The best offensive line haul in the country.

..let that sink in.
 
RainH2burntO said:
Its Rivals...and he signed with us.

And yet aggy thinks we get favorable ratings treatment
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it is a complete crock. I was on an Orangebloods thread (paid content) with Ketchum arguing that he voted for the downgrade, too because Banks didn’t look as good as some in the Under Amour drills. It was pointed out that Banks played almost the entire game and completely dominated every defender every single play, showed quick feet, strength, bend and never once got burned, except one play where there was confusion and both he and guard Devon Campbell thought the other was going to pick up a defender. This, while still 5 star Zach Rice, Dewberry and Neto and all the other OL got beat a number of times. And, in the All American game still 5 stars OT’s Josh Connerly and Elijah Pritchett both got burned numerous times. Ketchum’s argument was that the game itself was not a good judge of capability and it was the drills that really mattered. WTF? So, being a stud in game performance and being able to dominate the highest caliber competition when it matters most to the win/loss column doesn’t count, but performance in a drill designed to teach and practice how to perform in a game does count? That is completely bass ackwards logic. Banks was the single best and most dominating OL that played in either of those 2 games against the highest caliber talent out there.
 
OrangeClad said:
it is a complete crock. I was on an Orangebloods thread (paid content) with Ketchum arguing that he voted for the downgrade, too because Banks didn’t look as good as some in the Under Amour drills. It was pointed out that Banks played almost the entire game and completely dominated every defender every single play, showed quick feet, strength, bend and never once got burned, except one play where there was confusion and both he and guard Devon Campbell thought the other was going to pick up a defender. This, while still 5 star Zach Rice, Dewberry and Neto and all the other OL got beat a number of times. And, in the All American game still 5 stars OT’s Josh Connerly and Elijah Pritchett both got burned numerous times. Ketchum’s argument was that the game itself was not a good judge of capability and it was the drills that really mattered. WTF? So, being a stud in game performance and being able to dominate the highest caliber competition when it matters most to the win/loss column doesn’t count, but performance in a drill designed to teach and practice how to perform in a game does count? That is completely bass ackwards logic. Banks was the single best and most dominating OL that played in either of those 2 games against the highest caliber talent out there.
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I generally consider Rivals to be trash.
Good post
 
dukesteer said:
The more I see and learn about Ketchum, the less I like him. Watch his YouTube videos. He’s a blowhard and a bore.
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Not all but a lot of these football talking heads ....as the cliche goes...just live through this tiny connection they have to it since they arent playing and make waay too much of themselves than they should.(similar to many parents)
Great humility and a sense of knowing who and what you are and who and what you arent likely produce the best analysts/commentators/media guys...
...and many or most don't possess it or so it seems
 
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