2020 Senate & House

bystander said:
Machiavellianism. UNLESS the QAnon rep can be replaced by a Republican, then you keep her. You can't continue to unilaterally disarm (i.e. Republicans who voted for Biden because Trump made them nauseous) your political beliefs and abdicate it to the other side when they clearly have no intention of reining in their extremists. Remember: Defund the Police, Open Borders, Reparations, the Green Deal, Cancel Culture, White Privilege etc. These are very real and are being pushed by powerful people who have no intention of backing down one bit.

OR... you get rid of the QAnon rep, give the seat to the Dems and hope voting Americans respect you for it and remember next time they vote.
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It's a R+27 district. We wouldn't be handing anything to the Democrats.
 
4th_floor said:
No. The Dems don't see it that way. After you shitcan a reliably conservative vote like Marjie, the Dems move on to cancel the next representative, senator, mayor, governor, etc.
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You say No. Again, you don't shitcan her because the Democrats are calling for it.

4th_floor said:
And it's not your call. You don't get to impose your so called principles on her district. The voters get to decide, unless the mail-ins and drive-throughs work their magic.
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The voters can decide who represents them in the House. They don't decide committee assignments. The House decides that.
 
Mr. Deez said:
You strip her of the committee assignments. She's not getting expelled.
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No problem here with that. Even the Democracy argument is a bit hollow. How far does it go? Elect a Nazi? Is it strictly the will of the people? I think we know that a straight Democracy is very problematic. Tyranny of the majority. Electing an extremist. You have to hope the country as a whole is not the average of two extremes but a instead a bell curve of rational people.
 
When Tenney’s sworn-in, the Democrats’ majority in the House will shrink to 221-212 over the Republicans.

Two vacancies remain, and they’re both in Louisiana. One is the seat that was held by former Democratic Rep. Cedric Richmond, who joined President Biden’s administration last month. The other was the seat won last November by late GOP Rep.-elect Luke Letlow.

The new margin means the Democrats will only be able to lose four votes and still be able to pass a bill without help from House Republicans.
 
bystander said:
No problem here with that. Even the Democracy argument is a bit hollow. How far does it go? Elect a Nazi? Is it strictly the will of the people? I think we know that a straight Democracy is very problematic. Tyranny of the majority. Electing an extremist. You have to hope the country as a whole is not the average of two extremes but a instead a bell curve of rational people.
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It's will of the people to elect whomever they want. If they want to elect a Nazi, they can do that. If they want to elect a chick who believes in Jewish space lasers, they can do that. If they want to elect an impeached federal judge (Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Florida), they can do that. The people do get to decide who represents them on a base level - meaning they get to be members and vote on legislation on the floor.

However, the House has rules, leadership positions, and committees that give members significant power beyond their votes on the floor. The Constitution gives the power to structure those things to the House, not directly to the public. They decide who's on their leadership teams. They decide who sits on committees and who doesn't.

Is it sometimes appropriate for the House to actually override the will of the people and expel members? Yes, but that's generally done for misconduct, not goofy beliefs. It's hard to do it - requires a 2/3 vote, and other than during the Civil War, the House has only expelled 3 members.
 
Mr. Deez said:
It's will of the people to elect whomever they want. If they want to elect a Nazi, they can do that. If they want to elect a chick who believes in Jewish space lasers, they can do that. If they want to elect an impeached federal judge (Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Florida), they can do that. The people do get to decide who represents them on a base level - meaning they get to be members and vote on legislation on the floor.

However, the House has rules, leadership positions, and committees that give members significant power beyond their votes on the floor. The Constitution gives the power to structure those things to the House, not directly to the public. They decide who's on their leadership teams. They decide who sits on committees and who doesn't.

Is it sometimes appropriate for the House to actually override the will of the people and expel members? Yes, but that's generally done for misconduct, not goofy beliefs. It's hard to do it - requires a 2/3 vote, and other than during the Civil War, the House has only expelled 3 members.
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Re: The Will of the People

Two words:

Marion Berry

"An oft-repeated Barry quote came in the aftermath of his victory in the Democratic primary election, in which he counseled those voters who opposed his mayoral campaign to "get over it."
 
Statement from a House member popular with some here

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DrJoe
Who could disagree with her?
Who could think whst Biden did is good for America?
Is there any poster on here who could defend that?
 
Seattle Husker said:
What do you gain? In McCarthy's situation his "big tent" extends from principled traditional conservatives like Liz Cheney to QAnon true believers. I suspect that latter group is larger than any of us can fathom (bordering on the size of Trump's base) which is why McCarthy refuses to do anything more than bend the knee to them.
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I'm a Trump supporter. Never digged into what Qanon was all about, and don't care. None of my friends know of it either. Other than far out there **** (AOC says hello), what is it all about? I don't know, don't care.

Yet you state above the group is bordering on the size of Trump's base. You make little sense most of the time, to be honest.
 
This is coming from someone who earned their GED 8 months before being elected to office. I empathize with some of the concerns over higher education but voters please stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 
bystander said:
No problem here with that. Even the Democracy argument is a bit hollow. How far does it go? Elect a Nazi? Is it strictly the will of the people? I think we know that a straight Democracy is very problematic. Tyranny of the majority. Electing an extremist. You have to hope the country as a whole is not the average of two extremes but a instead a bell curve of rational people.
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The people elected David Duke to a state office full knowing he was a Klan leader. The will of the people is the will of the people. Sometimes they're idiots.
 
OUBubba said:
The people elected David Duke to a state office full knowing he was a Klan leader. The will of the people is the will of the people. Sometimes they're idiots.
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Yes they are. I was just reminded as I drove to take some supplies to my mom and my wife's son. They are out of water and heat. On the way, I'd say 95% of the pick-up truck drivers were aggressively driving as if it was mid-summer. We're talking about melting ice and snow. It was passable but these guys are so typical with their macho bravado.

As for the subject at hand, I believe a Democracy is so over-rated and it's comical how Democrats love to attack people over "our" Democracy. The populist argument is alive and well. They love a majority except when they don't.

White power is merely a voting majority if you want to simplify things. So a Democracy would a horror if they all voted for white interests. It's kind of funny.
 
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