2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

[Garmel]

I don't know about things like that. I try to stick with what are undisputed facts.

Biden's son. $50,000 per month job. No experience.

That tells me what I need to know, cynicism or not.

We also know for a political fact that if it were the other way around it would be the lead story on CNN.

No doubt about that. I'm just saying we should proceed with caution on this hard drive info.

 

[bystander]

No doubt about that. I'm just saying we should proceed with caution on this hard drive info.

I'm not going to be posting tweets from partisan sights. Ever.

 

[Garmel]

I'm not going to be posting tweets from partisan sights. Ever.

I know. Like I said I'm hoping there isn't any forgery involved in any of this.

 

[bystander]

I know. Like I said I'm hoping there isn't any forgery involved in any of this.

I know. I think we have to assume it could happen. Everything is suspect. At this point there are no secrets. We know what the parties stand for. All this other stuff is to destroy the viability of character.

In my opinion though, Biden is a front for the new generation exhibited by Beto/AOC. Trump on the other hand is what you see is what you get.

Values are what matter. The figurehead is a joke in this country. We have to know that the drill-down through the President is vital.

And I'm drilling down.

 

[Garmel]

 

[Seattle Husker]

What makes zero sense to me are the facts:

The troubled son of a sitting VP gets a job in an industry he knows nothing about and is paid $50,000 per month. The level of gymnastics it takes to pretend this isn't about influence peddling and corruption would merit a new apparatus because nothing that is normal is involved here.

It blows my mind how easy it is to sweep it under the rug.

I've never argued that Hunter was somehow deserving of that role/salary nor was not an attempt to garner influence. I can't recall reading any articles making that claim either. I've said before it's no different than China granting Ivanka Trump 9 trademarks in the middle of trade negotiations. If we care about influence peddling then lets have that conversation and don't limit it to your opponent but rather lets talk legislation to avoid even the perception of influence peddling. Before, nobody wanted to have that conversation because this board has become sick. It's partisan hackery wherein we only want to talk about the other side and lack the mirrors to admit that we are hypocrites if we only care about the other side's swamp while ignoring our own. To put it in biblical terms:

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. - Matthew 7:5

Back on topic: In the Hunter Bidden situation it's all the contrived BS AFTER that which is questionable, especially Soloman's highly criticized reporting that was being fed to him directly from political hacks in the Trump camp or Ukrainian officials being investigated or under indictment. Seriously, the whole world was calling for this corrupt Prosecutor's removal, Biden got it done. If you want to simplify the facts, please ensure you include that one or I'd say that beam in your own eye is impacting your vision.

 

[Seattle Husker]

If it's true it is a big deal. However, the story about the computers just being left there and not picked up does sound off. We'll see.

The chain of custody of said computer went from unknown repair shop - Steve Bannon - Rudy Guiliani - NY Post. Yeah, that's pretty suspect but we should all keep an "open mind".

Meanwhile, we need more anger that the mainstream news isn't running with this story.

As as aside, I don't think Twitter or Facebook should be censoring this story. I think they should put a big flashing exclamation point on any news entity or person that shares the story. When you hover over this exclamation point it says this person/media entity is spreading unverified rumors (and likely forged) because they have a predisposition for supporting Donald Trump. Think of it like a badge to more quickly identify idiots.

 

[Garmel]

The chain of custody of said computer went from unknown repair shop - Steve Bannon - Rudy Guiliani - NY Post. Yeah, that's pretty suspect but we should all keep an "open mind".

Meanwhile, we need more anger that the mainstream news isn't running with this story.

As as aside, I don't think Twitter or Facebook should be censoring this story. I think they should put a big flashing exclamation point on any news entity or person that shares the story. When you hover over this exclamation point it says this person/news story is spreading unverified rumors (and likely forged) because they have a predisposition for supporting Donald Trump. Think of it like a badge to more quickly identify idiots.

You don't ever learn.

 

[Seattle Husker]

You don't ever learn.

Not "open minded" enough for this board. Clearly. How's that beam in your eye, uncomfortable or have you simply learned to live with it?

 

[Garmel]

Not "open minded" enough for this board. Clearly. How's that beam in your eye, uncomfortable or have you simply learned to live with it?

You believed every stupid anti-Trump story that relied on rumors/ anonymous sources and you have the balls to talk down to me? Here we have documented evidence of corruption with no signs of a forgery (as of now) and somehow you know for a fact this is all a forgery. How's that beam in your eye, son?

 

[Horn6721]

Seattle
How are the street fairs in your city ? Still all peaceful?

 

[OUBubba]

If it's true it is a big deal. However, the story about the computers just being left there and not picked up does sound off. We'll see.

And, the computer guy gave the computer to Rudy G.?
Rudy Giuliani Revives Attack On Hunter Biden With 'Highly Suspicious' Leak
"The owner of the shop, who was not identified in the report, gave a copy of the computer’s hard drive to a lawyer working for Giuliani, who then handed it off to the Post."

 

[Seattle Husker]

You believed every stupid anti-Trump story that relied on rumors/ anonymous sources and you have the balls to talk down to me. Here we have documented evidence of corruption with no signs of a forgery (as of now) and somehow you know for a fact this is all a forgery. How's that beam in you eye, son?

Please tell me more about what I believe. For accuracy sake, I've yet to say "you know for a fact this is all a forgery".

What I did say is that everyone should be supremely skeptical of this information given the source, chain of possession and I'll now add the tabloid news source (which also happens to be owned by Rupert Murdoch) that ran with it. I will say this is slightly more credible than Trump's usage of the National Enquirer to try to damage his opponents, slightly.

 

[Garmel]

And, the computer guy gave the computer to Rudy G.?
Rudy Giuliani Revives Attack On Hunter Biden With 'Highly Suspicious' Leak
"The owner of the shop, who was not identified in the report, gave a copy of the computer’s hard drive to a lawyer working for Giuliani, who then handed it off to the Post."

If I was in his situation that's the guy I would have given it to as well. That way I know its content is seen.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Seattle
How are the street fairs in your city ? Still all peaceful?

They were during that time in the CHAZ. When did you move to Seattle? You should have let me know and I could have thrown you a housewarming parade.

 

[nashhorn]

Funny in this one I have the same skepticism on the issue both ways. I hold some skepticism on the email as I have on Biden’s denials. Oh my the world today is a perfect chaos.

 

[Garmel]

Please tell me more about what I believe. For accuracy sake, I've yet to say "you know for a fact this is all a forgery".

What I did say is that everyone should be supremely skeptical of this information given the source, chain of possession and I'll now add the tabloid news source (which also happens to be owned by Rupert Murdoch) that ran with it. I will say this is slightly more credible than Trump's usage of the National Enquirer to try to damage his opponents, slightly.

Watching you come back after such a long time trying to tell us not to believe our lying eyes is hilarious. If it's a lie it's a damn good one. Your reaction to this tells me you're actually worried.

 

[Garmel]

They were during that time in the CHAZ. When did you move to Seattle? You should have let me know and I could have thrown you a housewarming parade.

They took it over by force. How is that peaceful?

 

[Horn6721]

"They were during that time in the CHAZ. "
You have a weird definition of peaceful.
They took over a police precinct by force. There were robberies, rapes,assaults shootings including 2 killed. Seattle had to send in a large police force to retake their own precinct

 

[Seattle Husker]

They took it over by force. How is that peaceful?

You've moved to Seattle too? Welcome. Your Starbucks gift basket should be delivered shortly by Amazon.

 

[Horn6721]

Husker
Are you really saying the rioters /protestors did NOT take over the police precinct?

 

[Garmel]

You've moved to Seattle too? Welcome. Your Starbucks gift basket should be delivered shortly by Amazon.

No, but I just know that taking over a police station and the entire area by force isn't peaceful. What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Seattle Husker]

"They were during that time in the CHAZ. "
You have a weird definition of peaceful.
They took over a police precinct by force. There were robberies, rapes,assaults shootings including 2 killed. Seattle had to send in a large police force to retake their own precinct

I relayed the first hand account of my son, his friends and others I know that visited Chaz during daylight hours. I specifically stated at the time that was during daylight hours and suspected things got more seedy in the dark. That didn't fit the narrative of this board resulting in insults being hurled at my son. To me, that was over the line and demonstrated how toxic the West Mall had become.

The fact that you think the information you've gleaned off the internet while sitting in Texas (??) has made you more knowledgeable than those that actually live in Seattle, Portland, or Kenosha or whatever city is protesting then I don't have an answer for you other than you are going to believe what you want to believe and nothing I could say or show would shift your opinion.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Husker
Are you really saying the rioters /protestors did NOT take over the police precinct?

I didn't say one way or the other. Factually, Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkin instructed the SPD to abandon the precinct to deescalate the situation.

 

[Joe Fan]

If it's true it is a big deal. However, the story about the computers just being left there and not picked up does sound off. We'll see.

I do not believe the Campaign has denied the existence of the computer or the messages. But perhaps they did and I missed it.

 

[nashhorn]

SH sincere question, do you believe, if you have seen them, Andy Ngo’s reports to be true or fabricated?

 

[Horn6721]

Husker
Gleaned off the internet?
So seeing live feed, videos and statements from the Seattle Police is "gleaning"
So if you see a report on something happening in another city YOU don't believe it since you do not live there?
Husker stop beclowning yourself again.

 

[Clean]

he chain of custody of said computer went from unknown repair shop - Steve Bannon - Rudy Guiliani - NY Post. Yeah, that's pretty suspect but we should all keep an "open mind".

The chain of custody may be in doubt, but since it also, allegedly, has film clips of Hunter "performing sex acts" and other naughty little tidbits, like Hunter doing drugs, obviously he had to have had some connection to it at some point.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Husker
Gleaned off the internet?
So seeing live feed, videos and statements from the Seattle Police is "gleaning"
So if you see a report on something happening in another city YOU don't believe it since you do not live there?
Husker stop beclowning yourself again.

You are conflating vastly different statements. It's almost as if we are talking past each other. I offered first hand accounts of a street fair atmosphere during the daytime of CHAZ's existence and you respond with "rioters/protesters taking over the precinct". Do you see how neither of those are related? You aren't even discounting what I said but presenting some non-sequitur.

I don't know where you live but let's assume Austin. If you tell me what's happening in Austin that you are an eye witness I'm not going to run to GatewayPundit or DailyBeast and go but that site says something different. That's where you and I clearly differ.

 

[Seattle Husker]

The chain of custody may be in doubt, but since it also, allegedly, has film clips of Hunter "performing sex acts" and other naughty little tidbits, like Hunter doing drugs, obviously he had to have had some connection to it at some point.

Guiliani says it has film clips, right?