2018 Senate (& House)

Joe Fan said:
Would be a big get by Rs



"A new poll finds that Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) would be in a close race with Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) if he decides to mount a bid for Senate in 2018.

According to a poll from University of North Florida, Nelson is narrowly leading by 37 percent, compared to Scott, who garnered 36 percent, which is within the poll's margin of error. Twenty percent of registered voters are undecided.

“Like most statewide races in Florida, the Senate race between Nelson and Scott is going to be too close to call all the way until Election Day,” said Michael Binder, faculty director of the Public Opinion Research Lab at UNF.

The survey finds that Scott has a job approval rating of 59 percent, who either strongly or somewhat approve of his gubernatorial tenure. But Scott, who’s been publicly encouraged to run for Senate by President Trump, has been under fire from Democrats over his response to the 14 people who died at a Florida nursing home amid Hurricane Irma...."​
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If that holds, Nelson probably loses, and he's not supposed to be on of the vulnerable Ds. Of course, that's a big "if."
 
Is this Bannon's first or second pelt?

For all the talk about the drama in the Democrat's party in their fight for an identity/leaders, there is just as many problems facing the R's.

Here is Flake's speech on the Senate floor. Many on this board will say "good riddance". I'd agree with Flake when he states there Trump is pushing us to become "fearful backward looking people". Actually, I'd say Bannon is doing this.
 
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Brad Austin said:
Another Never-Trump Rhino bites the dust. Flake announced he's not running for re-election as AZ Senator. :usa:
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He knew he was going to lose
It's amazing these guys stick with their positions on Trump and his agenda when they know its what the great bulk of the R base wants. I have a little trouble wrapping my brain around their stubbornness.
 
Joe Fan said:
He knew he was going to lose
It's amazing these guys stick with their positions on Trump and his agenda when they know its what the great bulk of the R base wants. I have a little trouble wrapping my brain around their stubbornness.
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That's the great debate. In the past leaders have been criticized for ruling by polls rather than principles but that appears to be what you are advocating. Congresspeople should not be owned by lobbyists but I also don't believe they should be solely beholden to a fickle, often uninformed, electorate either.
 
Mr. Deez said:
That is true. In modern politics, anything is possible.
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I finally read W. Bush's speech from the other day. He had a line that bugged the crap out of me.

" .... Our governing class has often been paralyzed in the face of obvious and pressing needs..."​

My sense is that most Republicans and Independents reject the idea of a permanent governing or ruling class. Europeans can have that and keep it too. No thanks. I think most of us accept Lincoln's take of a “government of the people, by the people, for the people." I bet even a handful of Dems out there find Bush's view somewhat offensive to their notion of what this country is about.

I also think it's this kind of navel gazing by those who consider themselves to be our ruling class that leads to the election of people like Trump or Rock.
 
Joe Fan said:
He knew he was going to lose
It's amazing these guys stick with their positions on Trump and his agenda when they know its what the great bulk of the R base wants. I have a little trouble wrapping my brain around their stubbornness.
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Agree on all counts. He knew he would lose without question. Decided to take the cuffs off so he could verbally assault Trump at will for the rest of his time being relevant. Was very fitting for McCain to follow up Flake's retirement speech with praise and support. If only...
 
Seattle Husker said:
That's the great debate. In the past leaders have been criticized for ruling by polls rather than principles but that appears to be what you are advocating. Congresspeople should not be owned by lobbyists but I also don't believe they should be solely beholden to a fickle, often uninformed, electorate either.
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It's true and it's a fine line to walk. What I want ultimately, is a representative that tells me what he thinks and what he REALLY favors and why, but then does what his constituency tells him.

ie, I want a rep who has the fortitude to try to persuade me there is a better way but ultimately is willing to accept it when I don't agree and I still want them to do something different.

I don't mind it when a Straus-like guy advocates for a different version of the bathroom bill, but when the public says 'no, I want a ban' then he needs to get on board or get gone.
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
It's true and it's a fine line to walk. What I want ultimately, is a representative that tells me what he thinks and what he REALLY favors and why, but then does what his constituency tells him.

ie, I want a rep who has the fortitude to try to persuade me there is a better way but ultimately is willing to accept it when I don't agree and I still want them to do something different.

I don't mind it when a Straus-like guy advocates for a different version of the bathroom bill, but when the public says 'no, I want a ban' then he needs to get on board or get gone.
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I'm 100% aligned on the first paragraph. Unfortunately, that generally doesn't get you elected as candidates exceedingly are forced to pander to the extremes to avoid getting "primaried".

Is the "public" ever unified on a position? Are they the most informed on said position? A candidate needs to have the fortitude to stand up to the crowd and say "I voted against you for X reason". Then their constituencies can choose to vote them in/out in the next election. If they vacillate on their principles to follow the crowd that's not what I'd define as leadership but rather the very nature of what's wrong in politics today, IMHO.
 
This is a governor race, not Congress
But its one in a key state

Check out this ad -- the vote is 13 days out
 
At some point, it has to be considered cruelty to keep trotting this troubled woman out there
Face spasms, marred speech, uttering gibberish, confusing ‘trillions’ and ‘billions,’ pie chart/pie crust
It's not funny anymore. Just sad


 
TV ad for Virg Governor race
This one may be worse than the one pushing wheelchair granny off a cliff

 
Susan Collins’ net approval among Maine Reps dropped from +38% to -2% over the last quarter, a 40 point swing.
 
Only 33% of Kentucky voters approve of McConnell’s performance on the job, while 55% disapprove.

Only Senaror Bob Menendez (D-NJ), on trial for public corruption on bribery, fared worse than McConnell in terms of third quarter approval.
 
In spite of one of the most racial fear-mongering ads I've ever seen, Gillespie is the one the media is portraying as running racist ads. Link. Shameless.
 
Mr. Deez said:
In spite of one of the most racial fear-mongering ads I've ever seen, Gillespie is the one the media is portraying as running racist ads. Link. Shameless.
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CNN has become the National Enquirer of TV journalism. Pure propaganda. I have more respect for MSNBC who does not seem to hide their liberalism.
 
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