Voting fraud in California. Election fraud scheme on L.A.'s skid row got homeless to sign fake names for cigarettes and cash, D.A. says
2018 Senate (& House)
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Anybody can call for a recount in a close election. My issue with this is that if there's evidence of wrongdoing, we should do something about it. Investigate it, file lawsuits, prosecute people, etc. If we're not willing to do that, then it's not unreasonable to assume a lack of such evidence.
If we're going to just presume wrongdoing to avoid talking about what can be done to regain these seats, that's counterproductive. Keep in mind that in the case of many of these seats, the fact that they were even close calls is indicative that something is wrong.
Wrong county.
Dude, who cares? It was just a story on fraudl. Please don't get me involved in your arguments with others.
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Joe Fan
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Now that the election is over, it's safe to dump the case against Paxton
Texas Court of Criminal Appeals rules against prosecutors in Ken Paxton payment case
Texas Court of Criminal Appeals rules against prosecutors in Ken Paxton payment case
If youryo trying to drive a narrative, then youryo right. No reason to care. If you're trying to allege fraud in the Orange County races, it's pretty important.
After the election, of course.
ProdigalHorn
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Clearly fake news from US News - we all know Dems do not commit nor conspire to commit voter fraud, so stop asking about it and stop undermining our electoral integrity unless you're a dem.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-voter-fraud-scheme-used-los-angeles-homeless
OS ANGELES (AP) — Los Angeles County prosecutors have charged nine people with felonies alleging they offered money and cigarettes to homeless people on LA's Skid Row in exchange for false and forged signatures on ballot petitions and voter registration forms.
The office of District Attorney Jackie Lacey says in a statement Tuesday the alleged offenses occurred during the 2016 and 2018 election cycles.
Five of the nine defendants were arraigned Tuesday in Superior Court.
The charges include circulating a petition with false names, use of false names on a petition, and voter fraud by registering fictitious or nonexistent persons.
Prosecutors allege there were hundreds of solicitations for false or forged signatures and homeless people were offered a dollar or cigarettes for participation.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-voter-fraud-scheme-used-los-angeles-homeless
OS ANGELES (AP) — Los Angeles County prosecutors have charged nine people with felonies alleging they offered money and cigarettes to homeless people on LA's Skid Row in exchange for false and forged signatures on ballot petitions and voter registration forms.
The office of District Attorney Jackie Lacey says in a statement Tuesday the alleged offenses occurred during the 2016 and 2018 election cycles.
Five of the nine defendants were arraigned Tuesday in Superior Court.
The charges include circulating a petition with false names, use of false names on a petition, and voter fraud by registering fictitious or nonexistent persons.
Prosecutors allege there were hundreds of solicitations for false or forged signatures and homeless people were offered a dollar or cigarettes for participation.
That is it in a nutshell. Dems and Socialist always sell this utopian future based on people behaving in some imagined way that they have never behaved like in the past. It absolves individuals from responsibility for their own outcomes and then assumes they will still devote a full effort to that outcome. Today's democratic party is all about scapegoating the white man which is ironic since they spend so much time accusing the white man of scapegoating minorities.
Here is the reality...Every political and economic system that has ever been employed, has a top two percent that controls the vast majority of resources and accrues the vast majority of benefits. The only difference is the lever that made them the top two percent and allows them to keep power. Democracy and Capitalism aren't perfect but they are the only ones that allow for one to make that climb of your own volition. The reason Democracy and Capitalism prevail is that they allow a society to make a million little choices instead of one big single bet on the "one thing" that the government has decided will fix it all. The ability to test ideas at a low level in the economy and political body is why we work. and why communism, socialism, et al....Don't work.
After months of focus groups and input from think tanks, HRC has decided to come out with a new strategy that is sure to shake up the Establishment Left. She is just going to tell the truth about certain issues
except that she didn't frame it as "here's the smart thing to do for your country, because unchecked immigration is a bad policy". She framed it as, "the big meanie nationalists are using it to fool the stupid population into voting for them."
I'll admit that early in the run up to 2016 Kasich was in the mix for me, but I've since become a very ardent never-Kasich guy. CNN has been pimping him since Trump won. He's basically waived the white flag on every GOP platform. He is a perfect example of the gutless GOP that gave rise to Trump. I'm not a huge fan of Trump; he picks too many fights with too many people at the same time. I think he'll end up accomplishing very little because he only has one Technique....but at least he's not a squishy little **** that caves to the media like Kasich.
And by being rude, brash, and combative, he probably cost his party control of the House. That means in terms of legislative changes, he has probably scored his last significant accomplishment with the possible exception of an infrastructure bill. It's pretty easy to get bipartisan support for spending a lot of money we don't have.
What's remarkable is that previous wave elections usually occurred because of a major policy failure from the White House. Obama lost the House mostly because of a crappy job with healthcare. Ditto for Clinton. Bush lost in 2006 mostly because of screwing up the Iraq War. Trump didn't make any major undertaking and didn't do anything particularly unpopular. He lost because of an irresistible urge to dick-slap.
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ProdigalHorn
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That's what I'm a little curious about - whether his ability to mobilize a base and add some purple state voters has been offset by alienating white suburban moms. Clearly it cost him in the midterms and it's hard to believe some of the other races would have been that close otherwise. So was this a function of the particular house races that were up for reelection in this cycle, or is this a bunch of people turning on Trump who were previously strongly Republican and/or voted for him in the presidential election?
It seems unlikely that the voters who crossed over and elected him have been alienated at this point - I mean they knew who he was when they voted for him. So it makes me wonder whether he's in serious jeopardy in the next election or if this is just the typical evening out.
Considering where we lost, it is probably a combination of extremely high Democratic turnout (motivated heavily by Trump and the absence of Hillary Clinton) and some loss of support not from strong Republicans but from marginal Republicans.
His bombastic style worked and got him elected. But he lost the popular vote and won the electoral college. It was a screwy situation all the way around as far as I'm concerned. Not a mandate. Since then he has maintained his campaign persona. I agree with you that his "... rude, brash and combative..." style "probably" cost them the house. He didn't need to act that way to push his agenda.
Didn't less Democrats vote for Hillary than voted for Obama? The higher Democratic turnout in the face of Trump's bombast should have been predictable. Beto may have helped overall even though he himself lost.
Losing seats is expected. Getting routed in districts that are supposed to be easy wins even in tough years isn't. Also, previous Presidents didn't lose in a vacuum. They lost because of major screw-ups on policy and/or poor economies. Trump didn't.
Yes. Hillary lost much more resoundingly than Trump won. Even a mediocre nominee (like Tim Kaine) would have almost surely beaten him.
So what? They always say Republicans screw up, yet Republicans don't always lose. Something else was obviously at play this time.
Trump "screwed" up on immigration by 1) Insulting Mexicans 2) the kids being separated from their parents.
The reason I put quotes around "screwed" is because some of that is "trumped up" and Obama deported over 3 million people without much fanfare so Trump hasn't changed the policy. He just ran on it and sort of put it in everyone's face. So to me it was 1) Liberals would attack him regardless 2) He wasn't kind and gentle about it and the Left was able to exploit this with moderates who want to feel good about how we do things.
He did pull us from the Paris Agreement. That flew in the face of the Left. But engaging North Korea should be seen as a good thing. The tax cuts should be seen as a good thing. It definitely put money in everybody's pockets. However, there is the national debt to consider. How many people are truly concerned about that?
Then you have the tariffs against China. I say he's right to go for it regardless of short-term costs. They need to be made to play ball because they couldn't care less about the WTO.
What am I missing other than his tweets? Kavanaugh? He got blind-sided on that one. It's no surprise he'd pick a Conservative. He stuck with Kavanaugh so that was not so much policy as politics. Maybe that offended some moderates who as I said like the feeling of being "good."
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I have to admit; the Memes coming out are pretty funny. But as a friend of mine said, "I'd still hit that." Ha...
Joe Fan
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Your proposal is consistent with the idea of to each according to his needs -- you ought to run it up the flagpole and see.
MrD
Historically the new party in power loses seats. Right? Not sure why anyone would think history would not repeat.
Trump didn't do as bad as the "experts" projected. Don't forget there was a large number of open GOP Representative seats. IIRC 40.
All in all the expected blue wave dribbled in.
And picking up some Senate seats is a positive for Trump.
Historically the new party in power loses seats. Right? Not sure why anyone would think history would not repeat.
Trump didn't do as bad as the "experts" projected. Don't forget there was a large number of open GOP Representative seats. IIRC 40.
All in all the expected blue wave dribbled in.
And picking up some Senate seats is a positive for Trump.
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