OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
I was leaving it out there. Seen better, had worse.
2000 Mules
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Well, at least he didnt say something really dumb like, oh, those are just people dropping off ballots for their family members...at 4 in the morning...10 times.
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
Big families, Atlanta.
Except a lot of this was occurring in states that don't have Georgia's relaxed laws when it comes to dropping off ballots.
Homebrewer
25+ Posts
Um, here's the problem. TTV and D'Souza have nothing that _proves_ that anyone visited a dropbox 10 times. Nothing.
I know you want to believe that, but you may want to hold back on those categorical statements for a bit longer. There have been numerous examples of Libs on this board that have been made to look really dumb with such statements.
The left is desperately holding onto that geolocation isn't accurate but it is. If geolocation can detect who is in the capital or not during the J6 riot it can detect if someone is close to a dropbox. Saying that True the Vote and Dinesh have to show us more proof than they have already, something they have promised to do.
Another great example of the hypocrisy of Libs.
Has fingers in his ears, singing, "I can't hear you, I can't hear you".
Now, instead of placing absentee ballots in the drop box located just three steps inside the door of the county building, voters will have to walk about 30 steps into the building, from the same door, to get to the Board of Elections office where they will hand their ballot directly to one of the workers.
Anyone entering the building beyond the drop box must go through a metal detector manned by the sheriff department. Opponents say this makes voting “too difficult and complex” for voters.
A standing room-only crowd made up mostly of organized, left-leaning, political activists shouted, “Shame! Shame!” when commissioners in Pennsylvania’s Lancaster County voted to remove a ballot drop box placed at the county building on Monday, the day before the primary election.
Nah...they have teeth.
Here's the kicker that kills their narrative: If geolocation is so inaccurate how did it lead them to the dropboxes which then lead them to buy the surveillance video which backs up the geolocation data?
Homebrewer
25+ Posts
Question: what was True The Votes/2K Moscow Mules criteria for “visiting” a dropbox? What? That’s not in the movie? That might be important don’t you think?
Homebrewer
25+ Posts
Here’s the kicker that kills this narrative: there’s no link between any specific geolocation data (here’s a ping at this location) and any specific video (here’s the “mule” from that ping). The connection is implied, but not demonstrated. TTV claims to have 4 million minutes of video and can’t show a single person at more than one dropbox. I’m sure they’re holding their best evidence for the sequel: “Grifters Gotta Eat II.”
It's not demonstrated on film but it's not hard to figure out how they got the videos. Keep jumping through hoops with goofy MSM narratives, bud.
Homebrewer
25+ Posts
I forgot to mention that Dinesh said that's how they did it. Yes, they do have video of a single person at more than one dropbox. The videos aren't of high quality.
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Cool, another internet expert. I've dealt with Angry Fleas before because he's on about every Twitter site. He has a tendency to pull **** out of his ***. He's wrong here too. You do need accuracy to tell the difference between being outside or inside the capital because it too can be a matter of feet.
Is that how the song went during the Summer of Love that saw thugs engaging in felonious actions? You know...the one who denied it even when confronted with actual accounts of rapes having occurred.
And yet we have convictions on capital murder cases that are upheld where the data placing the defendant in the area came from precisely the same sort of location data as appears to have been used in the production...
Even accepting that civilian GPS is not military-grade, it is STILL far more accurate than what was in place even a decade ago.
Angry Fleas is wrong about needing 2-3 feet of accuracy. If geolocation can point you to being at 10 different dropboxes within just 6 feet is all you need. You can even make the argument that 30 feet is enough because the odds of them being that close to 10 different boxes in one night doing something else innocent is infinitesimal. If you want to talk about buildings, Homebrewer many of these mules went to non-profit organizations that night. Not as big as the capital but that should be big enough to cover any areas of perceived inaccuracies on your part.
We still have the whistleblower that started all of this. He said he trafficked 4500 ballots and said there were a lot of people doing the same thing he was doing.
We still have the whistleblower that started all of this. He said he trafficked 4500 ballots and said there were a lot of people doing the same thing he was doing.
I want to point out to Homebrewer that you deal with this kind of stuff in your line of work so you do know what you're talking about.
Kind of odd to join what amounts to mainly a Texas football forum and have nothing but political postings.
Monahorns
10,000+ Posts
There aren't time stamps?
With latex gloves which they promptly toss in the garbage and then take pictures of the dropbox.
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OUBubba
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I feel attacked.
Before someone chimes in and says it was because of Covid they were wearing gloves, the mules were not wearing any gloves during the 2020 election. Just during the GA senate runoff. Why? A trafficker was caught in Arizona due to fingerprints on the ballots so the Georgia traffickers got smart. Speculation but probably true.
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Homebrewer
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The accuracy of the technology is irrelevant if you don't know the criteria for a "visit." The "evidence" True The Vote submitted to Georgia used a diameter of 100 feet. Remember that TTV/2KMM limited their "analysis" to densely-populated urban areas. A Lyft or Uber driver, a delivery driver, police, or an insomniac walking their pet would be tagged as "visiting" a dropbox under those parameters. Their criteria wasn't 10 "visits" to a dropbox (plus 5 nefarious nonprofits) in a single 24 hours period--it was 10 visits between October 1 and January 5. I don't know how they only found 2000 devices fitting these criteria. Even if you tightened the criteria to a 10-foot diameter, you'd need to add the inaccuracy of the technology to that diameter. By itself, you'd have zero evidence of a person putting a ballot in a dropbox.
IFF you could link a specific device in a specific place at a specific time to a specific video, you _might_ have something. TTV and 2KMM have failed to provide this evidence. Maybe they can, but they haven't. They've provided two sets of as yet unrelated evidence (the geolocation data) and, separately, a handful of videos that by themselves barely rise to the level of curious, much less damning.
Some people work nights. Some people wore disposable gloves during an uncontrolled pandemic when they touched surfaces many others had probably touched, some people deliver absentee ballots for their families or patients, and some take selfies of themselves voting. None of this is illegal.
I'm completely willing to be convinced, but I'm also skeptical of folks making extraordinary claims--I need to see some evidence. When those making the claims purposefully misrepresent their supporting evidence (a map of Moscow represented as Atlanta, random dots represented as "geolocations," false claims of solving a cold murder case), I become even more skeptical.
TTV and 2KMM describe an enormously complicated criminal enterprise that would have taken thousands upon thousands to pull off. If TTV and 2KMM have evidence of a crime, they need to take it to authorities and present that evidence. It's telling that instead they've created an entertainment piece and are charging admission.
IFF you could link a specific device in a specific place at a specific time to a specific video, you _might_ have something. TTV and 2KMM have failed to provide this evidence. Maybe they can, but they haven't. They've provided two sets of as yet unrelated evidence (the geolocation data) and, separately, a handful of videos that by themselves barely rise to the level of curious, much less damning.
Some people work nights. Some people wore disposable gloves during an uncontrolled pandemic when they touched surfaces many others had probably touched, some people deliver absentee ballots for their families or patients, and some take selfies of themselves voting. None of this is illegal.
I'm completely willing to be convinced, but I'm also skeptical of folks making extraordinary claims--I need to see some evidence. When those making the claims purposefully misrepresent their supporting evidence (a map of Moscow represented as Atlanta, random dots represented as "geolocations," false claims of solving a cold murder case), I become even more skeptical.
TTV and 2KMM describe an enormously complicated criminal enterprise that would have taken thousands upon thousands to pull off. If TTV and 2KMM have evidence of a crime, they need to take it to authorities and present that evidence. It's telling that instead they've created an entertainment piece and are charging admission.
Homebrewer
25+ Posts
Not connecting specific "geolocation" data to the videos. They acquired 7.6 years (they claim 4 million minutes) of video using open records requests and jump from their "data analysis" to "suspicious" video. In all that video they haven't shown a single "mule" at more than one dropbox. It's almost like they have video of voting locations and have discovered...people voting.
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That's not from one of those internet experts again is it or from TTV themselves?
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