I'm done with Tim Beck

Towards the end of Fred's tenure cash, Trans Ams, steroids and turning a blind eye to criminal player behavior were the norms among the most competitive programs. It's to his credit that he was non-competitive.
 
ViperHorn said:
Beck will be on the staff until Herman has no other choice but to fire him.
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I hope we make it worth it for Todd Orlando to stay because I know we can't replace both coordinators in one offseason and that would be the only reason for keeping Beck around. I know the OL is not good, but Shawn Watson could have given us 7 points yesterday too. keeping Beck is just delaying the inevitable.
 
If Beck is indeed the problem then Herman is the problem. That’s where the buck stops and at $5 mil per year only outcomes matter, not personal loyalties.
 
I find it interesting that Strong was a "defensive genius" and our defenses didn't do well, and now Herman is the "offensive mensa" and our offense is not doing well.
 
Ya know there were times last night that even our inept OL gave Boo time to throw and still we couldn't hit the receiver. They either couldn't get space, he couldn't see them, or they dropped the ball. My point is last night was abismal to the point of more than the OL. I repeat a point made earlier the best example I give is Warren, no way he is the caliber of back demonstrated this year. Poor kid, what a wasted year for him and our team. I see ZERO improvement in the Off this year, and that is disturbing. And yes I know TCU is stout but not to the degree we made them look.
 
X Misn Tx said:
I find it interesting that Strong was a "defensive genius" and our defenses didn't do well, and now Herman is the "offensive mensa" and our offense is not doing well.
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Both of them thought they could wear more than one hat and they could just have a "comfort" guy ... as if being head coach of the University Texas Longhorns is the same as being he head coach at chickenshit community college....
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
I'm not to your level yet, but I do recall how happy OSU fans were when Herman hired him away. Their offense was terrible under Beck... Or at least their fans thought so.
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Okay, consider me in the "I'm done with Beck" crowd. I get that we have a mash unit blocking, but there are things that can make it easier on them and I don't feel Beck gets it. I am convinced now that if we had five All Americans up front Beck would figure out a way for that offense to only score 14 points a game.

Which would be better? If we canned him would it be the 5th offensive coordinator in like 8 years? Or keep him in hopes that next year is better? That's a terrible decision to be made all the way around.
 
As Nash and others have stated, our issues are well beyond the O-Line woes. Great coaches make lemonade out of lemons. The poor performance is ultimately the responsibility of those tasked with and being paid a fortune for those jobs. That includes Beck, Herman and frankly Drayton and Warehime. I do not believe that we would have seen this level of ineptude had Harsin, Glibert, Applewhite or even Davis been responsible for the offense.

As Dionysus noted, the buck stops at the top and so far, Herman has failed miserably.

Are we so bad that we cannot block, we cannot run, we cannot pass, we cannot do...anything? With athletes like Johnson, Hemphill-Mapps, Humphrey, Duvernay, Buechele, Young, Heard... it's just not believable. But that's what we are witnessing.

Is Heard such a bad passer that he is unable to throw a single pass? Come on. That's ridiculous. If we can't block or if they are darling us to run, put a FREAKIN' mobile QB back there. We have one. How the heck did he beat OU in 2015? And yes, Heard was the difference in that game.

What about screens? Misdirection? Zone reads? Quick pitches? Fake end arounds? Where was the flat pass to Warren? Once?

Yes, we have major issues, but there is no excuse for what we are watching.

Does anyone think that the recruits are impressed? Watch out for attrition. If we can't right the offensive ship, I expect for at least a few incoming players to be jumping off that ship before they get here.

Herman has a huge problem and you could feel it in the post game presser. He was visably nervous.

He should be.
 
HC, I attended the University of Texas, known at the time as a football school. I think I missed the English curriculum. But I should probably change it to "fail masterfully..."
 
Detective Shilala said:
Both of them thought they could wear more than one hat and they could just have a "comfort" guy ... as if being head coach of the University Texas Longhorns is the same as being he head coach at chickenshit community college....
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yeah, we knew coming in that beck was not orlando. we need a guy that herman is in lockstep with, but is able to carry his own weight running an offense.
 
dukesteer said:
HC, I attended the University of Texas, known at the time as a football school. I think I missed the English curriculum. But I should probably change it to "fail masterfully..."
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Haha just messing with you. I have heard and used that phrased myself of course. I just thought it was funny to describe really failing as doing it miserably lol. :beertoast:
 
It's obvious that Herman : Beck :: Strong : Watson. Go ask any Buckeyes fan and they'll tell you how they feel about what Beck did to their offense.

I think we might see Mehringer get more control over the rest of the offense in 2018 and eventually supplant Beck. He's only 29 and I think Herman was discouraged from giving him such a high-profile job without "adult supervision." That'll change soon.
 
Good points Dukesteer. My Maine proof point that you didn't include by name is Warren. I know there are other instances of a promising back not performing up to expectations the next year but not, imo, like this. I remember Major getting questioned as a rb coach but he got a lot out of some backs with (I would argue) less raw talent than Chris. I'm not saying it's not completely off him, in fact I'm questioning the whole thing. I've seen him run into a tackler, on those rare occasions when he's gotten past the los, when I thought just a bit of a juke was more effective. My overall question is why, has he suddenly list his skills, his desire, or is he not getting the coaching? I don't know the answer but I think it's a waste regardless, and discouraging to me as a diehard fan of every kid that puts on the jersey! Hookem
 
Jim McElwain. Maybe Tom does what Mack did on defense. Bring in coordinators that will perform at a high level until they move on to their next head coaching job. Just give us 2 years. He recruits well.
 
Horns11 said:
I think we might see Mehringer get more control over the rest of the offense in 2018 and eventually supplant Beck. He's only 29 and I think Herman was discouraged from giving him such a high-profile job without "adult supervision."
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Adulthood is overrated.
 
How the heck did he beat OU in 2015? And yes, Heard was the difference in that game.
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Our OL dominated their DL. Our DL dominated their OL. Those are the main reasons we won that game. Ditto for the 2013 win.
 
I'm not an o-line or running game guru so I'll cede arguments to people who know what they're talking about. So if they have issue with our run play selection, I'm sure there's some validity to it. Basically I suspect the coaches are feeling that there's not a lot of confidence in the line blocking anyone, so why bother working on a coherent run strategy?

May main issue right now is the personnel groupings, particularly why we're continuing to play receivers who aren't playmakers, but can (usually) block pretty well and (often) catch the ball on underneath patterns. I have yet to see Amanti Foreman make a play on a jet sweep, and yet he's the guy we use, when faster and more elusive players are passed over. We've at least tried to get Duverney involved in the deep passing game occasionally, but since our QB is running for his life half the time, that's not necessarily a viable offensive plan. Humphrey needs to get at least 10 targets per game. and probably more than that. Hemphill-Mapps (or as the ESPN called him, "Hill-Mapps") seems like he's disappeared from the gameplan, and maybe that's a function of Buechele's decision-making more than anything else.

It just seems like for all the size and speed we've got, it makes sense to at least try to make a safety make a decision a few times a game. That means having Burt and Duverney split, shoot them down the field and make the safety's knees knock a little.
 
The personnel decisions are baffling. But reading that article confirms what I thought I saw on Saturday. At one point they threw a bubble screen and it was completed to the WR and I got all excited because the WR had space to work with. Then I realized that the WR was really slow, and he was brought down before he could even turn upfield... Then I realized it was Brewer. Really? Brilliant!

That play could have netted some positive yardage had it been thrown to just about any WR (with the exception of Foreman who has forgetten how to catch), but instead it went nowhere, probably put us in 3rd and long and enabled TCU pin their ears back in the next play.
 
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