I'm done with Tim Beck

zuckercanyon said:
I was at Texas as a student when they fired Akers for the first losing season in 30 years. Then McWilliams had three losing seasons in five years. It made no sense to me in 1986. I’ll compare that moves with firing Les Miles....
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That was my window as well. I remember vividly my freshman year sitting in an empty student section watching us lose to a mediocre Stanford/BYU/Arkansas/SMU and thinking to myself, "This is just not what UT football is supposed to be." It wasn't so much we were being out-coached (although we might have been.) We simply did not have athletes that were able to step up and win games against quality teams.

How much of that was lack of support from the donors, and how much of it was the rampant cheating going on at other schools, and how much of it was that when we DID get top talent, we didn't really use it that well (Terry Orr, anyone?) - i suspect a little of all of it.
 
LOL ... @Detective Shilala ... let's not depart hotel reality, now! ;)

I'll refer to the "Glass half full" OP. The staff needs to do some changing, whether that's personnel or just in decisions/perspective/scheme/strategy ... but the staff has cost us a couple of games this year, too.

Are any of 'em old enough to remember black/white TV's ... at least as standard family entertainment equipment? I BARELY am.
 
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Good lord, now I'd settle for Fred Akers, Greg Davis, and Tyrone Swoopes...

I kid about Tyrone though. It would be great to have TS on the team still. (just not so much at QB)
 
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Mehringer/Beck VS Armanti as "which is the issue" = grossest over simplification I've read in a while.

I want more points manufactured, but I acknowledge the limitation of the Oline.
Our WRs, without Armanti, were not below average.

*find a way to give the OL, such as it is, an identity... I think they are improving
*figure out more effective run plays
*run the ball 2.9 ypc more often
*kick more FGAs

Making it Armanti or Beck is a strawman.
 
SabreHorn said:
One of those was hosting me when the call came in.
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SH, I have read this a few times but am still not clear. If I may ask, are you saying that a BMD was hosting you, as a recruit, when another BMD called to trash Akers?

By the way, I was a critic of Akers near the end of his tenure but, in hindsight, would agree that he was a very effective coach who was swimming upstream from the day he was hired.
 
dukesteer said:
SH, I have read this a few times but am still not clear. If I may ask, are you saying that a BMD was hosting you, as a recruit, when another BMD called to trash Akers?

By the way, I was a critic of Akers near the end of his tenure but, in hindsight, would agree that he was a very effective coach who was swimming upstream from the day he was hired.
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I don't have a great memory of the Akers years.
But it seems he won around 75% of his games.
He just lost the wrong games. (a$m, bowl games)
 
X Misn Tx said:
*find a way to give the OL, such as it is, an identity... I think they are improving
*figure out more effective run plays
*run the ball 2.9 ypc more often
*kick more FGAs
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Yes, UT let Akers go too soon. I remember telling an older alumn that opinion when I was a HS senior then. He shut me down, and I was just a kid back then. But now I have seen decades of this go on and my opinion is the same. Fred Akers, Mack Brown both should have been retained. I still think and hope TH is another good or even great coach. He is young and somewhat learning on the job. However, whatever happened to patience. Give TH time to develop this team. We eat our own. Everyone else does it too at the major powers like Penn State, LSU, Michigan.

X Misn TX is correct! We need to simply find a way to manufacture rushing yards without killing the starting QB. If we do that we can win a lot of the remaining games and have an improved season, not a great season.
 
X Misn Tx said:
Making it Armanti or Beck is a strawman.
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I don't really think that the OP that mentioned Armanti meant it in the way you are writing this. (I could be wrong, of course)

I saw it and other similar concerns about Armanti's disappearance, coupled with Collin Johnson's benching in the osu game, as fan angst about the seeming pattern of Hermann having a large cavernous doghouse that players fall into and have a hard time climbing out.

Examples: Warren earlier in the season, Hager earlier in the season, Burt, Armanti, & Johnson. Good players who were performing well and they disappear with the vague reason of "not practicing well" or some such.

As you all know who played much football, practice is extremely important, but players can ease off in practice for various reasons: pain, banged up, woozy from head contacts in practice or games, sassy to coaches, confusion over assignments, etc etc.

I wonder if anyone has been benched or punished in some way for not jumping high enough or quickly enough on the sidelines during kickoffs? Appearing to be enthusiastically participating in stuff like that might be hard for some veterans and freshman alike. IMHO.
 
caryhorn said:
I wonder if anyone has been benched or punished in some way for not jumping high enough or quickly enough on the sidelines during kickoffs? Appearing to be enthusiastically participating in stuff like that might be hard for some veterans and freshman alike. IMHO.
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Herman's MO for motivation, the burnt eggs, the benched players, the "give your heart to me" approach nauseates me but hey, if it works, more power to him. It's almost like a cult, mind control methodology. I suspect that some and perhaps many players have a hard time completely buying in. I would certainly understand why.

Unless someone like Collin Johnson is completely dogging it during the week, I would think that benching him would send a demotivating message to the team.
 
By 3 years, your referring to CS?
He never should have been hired in the first place.

I see you liked my understatement about TH. I acknowledge mistakes in personnel decisions have been made (sticking with Warren III for too long at RB). But now that TH fixed that and had much better results. Let's see how the next 4 games look. Seems the offense is turning a corner, albeit very slowly.
 
AC said:
By 3 years, your referring to CS?
He never should have been hired in the first place.

I see you liked my understatement about TH. I acknowledge mistakes in personnel decisions have been made (sticking with Warren III for too long at RB). But now that TH fixed that and had much better results. Let's see how the next 4 games look. Seems the offense is turning a corner, albeit very slowly.
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Are you sure you're not confusing Warren with Porter? The only time Warren has been able to run against an equivalent crappy run down defense like Carter and Young did he averaged over 10 ypc, a lot better than Carter and Young against Baylor and also a lot better than Cater and Young did against SJ sucks. Warren has also done a lot better running the wildcat than Carter. If we can't do a lot better than what Carter did against Baylor the WC needs to be scrapped, along with all the WR/RB reverse passes that are doomed to fail.

Let's see how Carter or Young run against a 1st QTR TCU defense before we declare either one of them the next Ricky.
 
i don't know if we have enough data points to suggest a full on turning of the corner. and our QB carousel due to health issues makes it hard to predict anything.

i haven't been blown away by our offensive coaching, but i also don't want to criticize a group of guys playing their butts off at OL. they can't help that they are backups. that being said, i just don't see us fully turning any corner this year on offense. i see us getting better though.
 
AC said:
By 3 years, your referring to CS?
He never should have been hired in the first place.

I see you liked my understatement about TH. I acknowledge mistakes in personnel decisions have been made (sticking with Warren III for too long at RB). But now that TH fixed that and had much better results. Let's see how the next 4 games look. Seems the offense is turning a corner, albeit very slowly.
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That may be, but when he was hired, he should have been hired as HC ... not placemarker. What a disaster the AD had been through all of that.

sticking with WarrenIII too long? Seems the issue has been not enough reps. Now I didn't get to see the BU game, so my comment is without any observation there.

I simply do not agree that Akers wasn't supported. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.
 
Run Pincher said:
Are you sure you're not confusing Warren with Porter? The only time Warren has been able to run against an equivalent crappy run down defense like Carter and Young did he averaged over 10 ypc, a lot better than Carter and Young against Baylor and also a lot better than Cater and Young did against SJ sucks. Warren has also done a lot better running the wildcat than Carter. If we can't do a lot better than what Carter did against Baylor the WC needs to be scrapped, along with all the WR/RB reverse passes that are doomed to fail.

Let's see how Carter or Young run against a 1st QTR TCU defense before we declare either one of them the next Ricky.
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I agree about what they do against TCU. That will be much more of a test. And if they average 3 ypc I hope we keep trying because late that could be 6 or more ypc. Porter did not come up because the thread did not bring him up but he was worse than Warren III. Anyway, what we do in the run game against TCU will be a better test. We looked good against the two bad defenses we have faced. I just hope we keep trying to run the running backs for four quarters on TCU. I also agree with others on the short passing game. That takes pressure off the quarterback similar to a run game. Both the run game with the freshman backs and the short passing game (play action slants over the middle) being more developed and explored these last four games looks promising. Then, if Conner Williams and Shackleford come back, all the better. Its just a glimmer of hope on offense that is all I am saying......were all searching for that right?
 
To clear up a couple of points, most of us do not know each other personally, so it is easy to misconstrue the written word.

1) The sacrificial 27 is probably the single most despicable thing ever contrived in our football history by pious self-serving old men. It is not set forth in my post to express my knowledge or involvement, but rather to find out how much of the truth is known by the other poster(s). It's not to put anyone down other than those who were responsible, most of whom are now dead. It was part of what I consider our darkest era and shall leave it at that.

2) The recruiting incident occurred when I was asked to assist with recruiting a blue chip defensive player, whose father I knew well through business. I had an appointment to go to their home and visit, A BMD made the call to the father while I was there. I was told that it was one of many the family had received.

3) If you are saying that Lorene Rogers had anything to do with Mike Campbell being fired or not getting the job, she was never consulted other than to be told what had happened. That was all done by Governor Allan Shivers & Frank Erwin

Old men, some of whom I revered and loved, played a petty game to "get even" at the expense of The University of Texas, while at the same time demonstrating that they were willing to sacrifice anybody and their future because, "I didn't get my way". That has now been forty years, and the camps are still bitterly divided and likely always will be. (Please understand that I have never believed that Coach Campbell was ever involved in any of this.)

As for Fred & Mack, Fred was set up and treated like trash; Mack was provided a graceful exit, which he challenged.
 
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Thank you sir. I'm sure you are correct regarding the involvement of the UT President ... which underscores the lack of leadership. If she wasn't "playing ball" with Shivers and Erwin, she should have been fired herself (ostensibly because a Regent and a Governor would have that authority.) Otherwise, she was complicit ... or shown to be a "placeholder" herself and not ... the UT PRESIDENT. Anyhow.

Perhaps I am jaded/prejudiced/whatever, from the estimation of my father's telling of his being in the Longhorn Club back in the day of Akers. Dad wasn't in the "inner circle," either, but I trust him.

I'm still not clear on the "sacrificial 27," but that's OK. Yes, it's clear actions were taken for personal vendettas/gain rather than what would have been best for Texas.

I agree, I find it virtually impossible to consider Coach Campbell had anything to do with that buffoonery. Thanks again.
 
AFA Beck ... I'm now watching the BU game on my DVR.

I am absolutely stunned at the MILFORD play ... and the dogged determination to stick with it despite the consecutive success of "attack the LOS" playcalling.

I understand "this is winless BU" but we don't exactly have an offense which has demonstrated ... ANYTHING very good.

Use BU to establish an offensive drive, for crying out loud! Flea Flickers? REALLY? IN THE FIRST HALF??? SMH!
 
moondog_LFZ said:
I don't have a great memory of the Akers years.
But it seems he won around 75% of his games.
He just lost the wrong games. (a$m, bowl games)
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Not just losing the wrong games, but the program was clearly deteriorating. The '84 team fell apart at the seams when its woeful QB play finally caught up with it, and frankly the defense pretty well packed it in. Recruiting slid relentlessly toward awful as we either couldn't or wouldn't compete for bluechip players in state. '86 was as bad as I've seen here, including the 4-7 Mackovic year, because there really wasn't anything going for that team. Talent wasn't there. Drive wasn't there. The program was just completely mired.

AC said:
Yes, UT let Akers go too soon.
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They really didn't. The only mistake (and I say this with a little pain because I have so much respect for Mac) that they went the other direction and found a "favorite son" in David McWilliams - a fantastic man, but not a great head coach.
 
I think that was about the time aggy single handed raised the price of Fed Ex stock with the overnight envelopes they were sending recruits.
 
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