Your effective tax rate

JohnnyM

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Since it's tax time, I thought it would be interesting to see. What was your effective tax rate for 2010? I'm figuring this by dividing Total Tax (line 60) by AGI (line 37).

Mine was 28%. I am self-employed, so I expect it to be 7.6% higher than an average W-2 employee of my same income level. I think they ought to change that though and put all FICA taxes on personal returns rather than splitting between employer and employee, if only for simplicity sake in comparing people, jobs, or making a career decision.

Edit: Actually, my rate shouldn't be higher than a W-2 employee b/c I get a reduction off my AGI for half the SE Tax. I still think they should change that so everyone can simplify the reporting. Of course I'm sure there are a lot of employers who wouldn't pass on the 7.6% savings, so that would suck.
 
mine was prepared by an accountant who puts the effective tax rate at the bottom. I am also 'self-employed' (as defined for tax purposes by the IRS). I paid no income tax I don't think because my wife and I give most of our taxable income away. My effective rate was 24% as I remember without paying income tax.
 
Yeah my accountant put it on her cover-letter too. Shows you how much I've wanted to look at this in the last month!
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timely...published 4/15/11
The Link<----Federal Income Taxes on Middle-Income Families at Historically Low Levels


A 4.7 percent effective tax rate.

the data analysis does not take payroll taxes into account, however..

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Roger,
I have no with holdings. I am self employed (for IRS purposes, because I am not really). That means that I have to pay my own taxes. My W2 income was about 42k. My wife and I had additional incomes from holdings we cashed in to give away. Specifically, we had interest income that was donated 100% of it.
Now, we get a standard deduction, and then we get deductions for 2 kids. We also get deductions for interest on mortgage. Subtract all that, and what we gave away out of our W2 income, and we had didn't really have income substantial enough to be taxed. At least that is the way it looks. We are however obligated to pay FICA taxes on much of what we get. My understanding, and I am no accountant is that we owe FICA on a different amount than we owe on income because of deductions. So we owe for both halves of FICA. Basically we pay double most people, because we don't have an employer to pay part.
So we paid something between 2k and 3k in taxes. Pretty sure that was just FICA, and it works out to 24% effective rate.
 
Mine is around 7.35%. (from the OP's formula)

Had a moderate W-2 + unemployment. Credit for 1 child. I almost thought we'd beat the standard deduction this year for all the hospital expenses from our baby being in the intensive care unit for 9 days plus we had about 9-10% given away to charitable donations, but i guess we were just under the mark for the SD.

7.35% seems kinda low to me
 
Going to be hard to say the GOP wants to put deeper tax burderns on the backs of the middle class because of evil Bush tax cuts to the evil rich.

another article showed more people are getting tax refunds even though they paid no taxes, so I guess we aren't putting the burden on them either.

I hope this leads to s serious discussion on a flat tax, No loopholes for anyone.
 
Sickens me to thnk how many of us pay 20-30% individual tax rates and then small businesses are paying around that as well, meanwhile corporations like GE are hiding profits offshore and using tax loopholes to pay much less or in GE's case get a 2.3 Billion refund.

www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=3&ref=todayspaper

60 minutes did a story on this a few weeks ago. Detailing how corporations are opening a sham of an office in switzerland or somewhere oversees and claiming they are HQ'd there so that they don't have to pay income taxes on their profits here. Problem is that they can't bring the money back to the US to invest. I wouldn't be suprised if they are skirting this too somehow and funneling the money back little by little. Perhaps all small businesses should incorporate and do this here in the US to take advantage of what these large corporations are doing in the name of profits.
 
Has there been a report on how many Americans actually pay 20-30%? Wouldn't those be the evil rich? I know Obama paid around 25%. How much do you think he should have paid?

According to yo's link the middle class averaged the lowest in decades
from Yo' link
"Overall federal taxes: Middle-income households are paying overall federal taxes — which include income as well as payroll and excise taxes — at or near their lowest levels in decades, according to the latest data from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).""

So more people than ever are paying ZERO and many times getting money back. The Middle class is paying the overall Fed taxes at the lowest rates in decades.
Most pay none or at the lowest level in decades,
the evil rich are paying a larger % of income tax than ever
and still Obama demonizes them.

BTW I thought the story about GE actually getting a refund was debunked??
How many people does GE employ in the USA?
 
What is your effective tax rate? The question generally is aimed at your effective income tax rate. But if you look at ALL the the taxes you pay, and divide that by your GROSS INCOME, you probably have a more realistic number.

Most anyone can compute their income tax rate. Let's say your household gross income (family of 4 with 2 children) is $100,000, and we'll assume it's all in wages. Maybe your taxable income is $74,000. After child tax credit your tax is approximately $9,000. Your tax rate is 9% based on gross income and 12% based on taxable income.

Now remember 7.15% of your wages are taxed for social security and medicare. That's another $7,150. You've now paid over $16,000 in taxes which is 16% of your gross income.

Let's say your family purchases 1000 gallons of gas during a year (20 gallons/week). In Texas that's 20 cents/gallon (link) - another $200. Let's say you are a homeowner. Your property tax might be another $4,000. Now you are over $20,000 in taxes - Over 20% of your income.

What about your other essential purchases. Most foods are not taxed, but clothing, entertainment, services (utility bills, home repairs, etc.), and items such as hair dryers, washing machines, automobiles, and so on are all taxed. If you live in Texas, most of these purchased are taxed at just under 9%. Assuming you make $20,000 such transactions annually, that's another $1,800. Now you are up to $22,000 in taxes paid. That's now 22% of your gross income. The "income tax" is less than the other taxes you've paid. And don't forget "fees" (technically not taxes) such as vehicle registration and homeowners association dues.

You can do the same calculation using higher figures. The person making $300,000 might pay a higher percentage of income tax (unless it's from capital gains in which the percentage is lower than a person who works for the income). However, that person would pay the same amount - but lower percentage - of "other taxes" assuming they drive the same amount of miles, purchase the same amount of items, and own a similar home. Hence, the percentage of income tax paid is higher than in example 1, but the percentage of total taxes paid is probably similar or perhaps lower. Don't forget, social security tax is no longer assessed after a certain threshold is reached. Thus high wage earners pay a lesser percentage of their income to social security.

Using the example of a single parent with 2 kids earning only $25,000 is a little different. Due to EIC, they may actually receive $5,000 in refundable credits so their income tax rate is negative 20%. They actually receive an additional $0.20 for every dollar they earn. However, their SS & Medicare taxes are $1,787. If they use 1000 gallons of gas annually, they pay the same $200 in gasoline tax, and they probably can't afford the house, but assuming they haven't been foreclosed yet, their property tax is the same $4,000. All in all, despite being the recipient of $5000 of transfer payments/welfare, the other taxes net out to zero. Of course, food stamps would get them back to a negative tax rate if you think of that as a reverse tax.
 
Pharm"
uh?
"The Middle class is paying the overall Fed taxes at the lowest rates in decades.



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Probably b/c they are shrinking in size "
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I don't think you understand what was said by the CBO> Read it again
EACH middle class family is paying a lower rate of their income not only in federal taxes but in overall taxes.
here, let me report the actual quotw from the CBO
"Overall federal taxes: Middle-income households are paying overall federal taxes — which include income as well as payroll and excise taxes — at or near their lowest levels in decades, according to the latest data from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). "

As Yo pointed out for income taxes a middle class family will pay ONLY 4.7% of its income to federal income taxes.

A bit different than the point you tried to make.



Johnnym
I agree with a flat corp tax rate( and a flat individual tax rate as well) but it also needs to be at a level that keeps USA corps competitive.
GE took advantage of every loophole to pay ZERO tax. Later this week ExxonMob will release its first quarter earnings which likely will be huge. Which company do you think will take the most and longest heat from media?
 
6721 - you brought up the fact that the top earners were paying an enormous share of the overall income tax pie, and i attempted to explain why that is and how we got here. are you just not interested in that anymore since you didn't respond on that and have moved on to corporate taxes?

i don't know which of the companies will get more public attention and don't really care about that. i think corporate taxes are a completely different aspect of tax policy that we weren't really discussing here, but feel free to start a thread on it and ask your questions. i am sure a lot of people on here have many differing views on corporate taxes.
 
johnnym
Actually the first part of my post was directed to Pharm who tried to explain the decades low Fed income rate for middle class earners as well as decades low amount of all Federal taxes and fees paid by middle class by saying the middle class is shrinking.


then I agreed with you that I would prefer to see a flat tax for both corporate and individuals with loopholes closed.
that way even evil rich like Obama( among others but he can set the tone) would pay their fair share.


My last point was not directly solely to you and was about GE not paying any income tax and Exxon coming out with what will likely be huge amounts in profits for 1st qtr, which of those 2 companies will see more media headlines and hype about obscene profits?
 
so you don't have any thoughts on what I actually posted with regards to why the "rich" have paid an increasing share of the income tax pie?

and why do you keep calling them the "evil rich"? do you think they are evil?
 
If the only taxes you discuss are income taxes then all the arguments for how the rich or middle class get screwed have some validity. If you consider all the other forms of taxation such as ss, medicare, employee withholding for unemployment insurance, sales taxes, ad valorem taxes, ad nauseum, the argument weakens considerably.

I pay ad valorem taxes and the "poor" don't: except that they do,in the form of rental costs that include the landlord's tax costs.

The overall tax system is slightly graduated but not much. As a percentage of income the poor pay their share, however indirect it may be. The key is that if you take 10% of their income it really hurts them a lot more than those of us who have 6 figure or 7 figure incomes who pay say two or three times more.
 
Multiply effective tax rate by hours consumed working to get what Adam Smith might call the true tax rate. How many hours per week do people work purely to serve the government?
 

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