Will Sherman be the coach aggy is looking for
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AustinBadger
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He would coach circles around Fran. I think he will do just fine in the Big 12.
The real question is whether he will be able to recruit.
The real question is whether he will be able to recruit.
Orange Salad Ranch
250+ Posts
He may or may not be a good coach, but he's getting his *** handed to him recruiting right now. New coaches at the bigger programs almost always garner some kind of recruiting momentum, be it warranted or not. I keep forgetting if A&M has even hired a coach yet or not. It's actually pretty strange.
random horn
250+ Posts
no, but he could be the one mr. peabody is looking for
My personal opinions:
Sherman has alredy lost the recruiting class of Feb 08 by not holding it together with all the last minute decommits/loses. This is the next 77-0.
Sherman has already lost the recruiting class of Feb 09 by losing each and every head to head battle with UT, lsu, ou, and tulsa university. They've committed 38 players so far! This is more of the next 77-0.
Fran's first recruiting class will be seniors this year. They and this years juniors led A&M to a 9 win season as sophs and fish two years ago and by making one field goal in the ou game, would go to the Big 12 championship game to play for a BCS bowl .
So A&M has the experienced proven talent and backups now to be champs this year. Every Big 12 team lost an average of 17 seniors this year, mostly starters, and with an easy schedule, this is A&M's year.
Only Shermahan could screw this up with his coaching, so we'll hope his coaching is not as bad as his proven non-exhisting recruiting prowess.
In 2003, how many people looked at the 85 man squad RC and Tim had put together that was so bad that NFL draft choices would drop to almost zero for the next five years. This is when A&M lost 77-0.
How many people knowledgable about Aggie football would say that the leaders of the team that lost 77-0, seniors, juniors and sophs, were all recruited by RC and Tim, and in fact were all coached by the same RC for up to four years before losing 77-0 the next year.
The NFL draft dropping to almost zero the next 5 years proved that this team RC and Tim recruited had no talent. This is when A&M lost 77-0..
Lots of history revision, by omission, and blog censorship and just plain lying going on the last five years, Maybe just a few people covering their 77-0 recruiting rears?
How bad was RC and Tim's recruiting? So bad that I remember A&M taking the really bottom tier leftovers after losing these late head to head battles with really bottom tier teams.. A rb named _____ to tech, an OL named______ to baylor, a TE named _____ to smu, a rb named _____ to houston, a de named _____ to tcu, a top dt named _____ to okie state, etc. ; All head to head losses!
And A&M was taking what was left in the bottom tier down from these type teams.
It was so bad that UT and ou signed 2 1/2 to 3 times as many four and five star football players as A&M for multiple years. This is when A&M lost 77-0!
This year is Shermans only chance to coach a telented team because he's already lost two classes that will delute the squad after this year. The talent decommitted/lost to other schools just won't be there for Sherman to coach, even if he proves capable of doing it?
Amazing that no one speaks the truth about this for the last five years on other blogs. Oh I forgot it was posted, then it was censored, and you'd get nice little emails saying " we know what your saying is true, but we'd rather it not be posted".
Miller58
A&M rebuilding and winnng in 2006, and champs in 2008!
Sherman has alredy lost the recruiting class of Feb 08 by not holding it together with all the last minute decommits/loses. This is the next 77-0.
Sherman has already lost the recruiting class of Feb 09 by losing each and every head to head battle with UT, lsu, ou, and tulsa university. They've committed 38 players so far! This is more of the next 77-0.
Fran's first recruiting class will be seniors this year. They and this years juniors led A&M to a 9 win season as sophs and fish two years ago and by making one field goal in the ou game, would go to the Big 12 championship game to play for a BCS bowl .
So A&M has the experienced proven talent and backups now to be champs this year. Every Big 12 team lost an average of 17 seniors this year, mostly starters, and with an easy schedule, this is A&M's year.
Only Shermahan could screw this up with his coaching, so we'll hope his coaching is not as bad as his proven non-exhisting recruiting prowess.
In 2003, how many people looked at the 85 man squad RC and Tim had put together that was so bad that NFL draft choices would drop to almost zero for the next five years. This is when A&M lost 77-0.
How many people knowledgable about Aggie football would say that the leaders of the team that lost 77-0, seniors, juniors and sophs, were all recruited by RC and Tim, and in fact were all coached by the same RC for up to four years before losing 77-0 the next year.
The NFL draft dropping to almost zero the next 5 years proved that this team RC and Tim recruited had no talent. This is when A&M lost 77-0..
Lots of history revision, by omission, and blog censorship and just plain lying going on the last five years, Maybe just a few people covering their 77-0 recruiting rears?
How bad was RC and Tim's recruiting? So bad that I remember A&M taking the really bottom tier leftovers after losing these late head to head battles with really bottom tier teams.. A rb named _____ to tech, an OL named______ to baylor, a TE named _____ to smu, a rb named _____ to houston, a de named _____ to tcu, a top dt named _____ to okie state, etc. ; All head to head losses!
And A&M was taking what was left in the bottom tier down from these type teams.
It was so bad that UT and ou signed 2 1/2 to 3 times as many four and five star football players as A&M for multiple years. This is when A&M lost 77-0!
This year is Shermans only chance to coach a telented team because he's already lost two classes that will delute the squad after this year. The talent decommitted/lost to other schools just won't be there for Sherman to coach, even if he proves capable of doing it?
Amazing that no one speaks the truth about this for the last five years on other blogs. Oh I forgot it was posted, then it was censored, and you'd get nice little emails saying " we know what your saying is true, but we'd rather it not be posted".
Miller58
A&M rebuilding and winnng in 2006, and champs in 2008!
Cowtown_Red
100+ Posts
He's taking over a slightly better than average program with the majority of it's fanbase honestly believing that they should be in the National Championship picture every year.
Those expectations will prove too much to bear, just as they were for Little Franny.
Those expectations will prove too much to bear, just as they were for Little Franny.
I've wondered if the NFL coaches have had trouble dealing with the more emotional aspect of college football. It's not just Xs and Os with players fighting to keep a place on the roster. That situation in the NFL means players must be self-motivating.
In college, you choose players but you can't cut them if they don't perform. You've go to motivate them as well as plan for the games.
I don't know how well Sherman will do at this aspect of the college game. The fact that he is not recruiting well could be an indication of how little emotional impact he has on young players.
Just a thought.
In college, you choose players but you can't cut them if they don't perform. You've go to motivate them as well as plan for the games.
I don't know how well Sherman will do at this aspect of the college game. The fact that he is not recruiting well could be an indication of how little emotional impact he has on young players.
Just a thought.
bshabilsky
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Please remember, this guy went 4-12 with Brett Favre. Guy won with Holmgren's talent, then his drafts sucked. He will fit in greatly at Bryan-College Station A&M. Over-inflated expectations with zero chance of realizing those dreams.
Mr. Orange
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Sooner-Tuf
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HoosierHorn
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Who wants to bet that Mike Sherman won't be running the option?
Ask QB Coach Tom Rossley how soon his QB is going to transition from an option-oriented attack to the spread.
Ask new OC Nolan Cromwell who they're going to throw the ball to.
This is not the Packers and Seahawks. This is aggy, and they are losing any talent they had. I got a donut that says Mike Goodson will be gone if he has a decent year.
It's going to be a tough year for aggy offense.
However, DC Joe Kines will make their defense better. You'll be hearing more of that "Wreckin Crew" stuff in the next two years. They won't be that good, but they'll be a lot better than what Darnell put up. They will probably smash Tech in 2009.
Ask QB Coach Tom Rossley how soon his QB is going to transition from an option-oriented attack to the spread.
Ask new OC Nolan Cromwell who they're going to throw the ball to.
This is not the Packers and Seahawks. This is aggy, and they are losing any talent they had. I got a donut that says Mike Goodson will be gone if he has a decent year.
It's going to be a tough year for aggy offense.
However, DC Joe Kines will make their defense better. You'll be hearing more of that "Wreckin Crew" stuff in the next two years. They won't be that good, but they'll be a lot better than what Darnell put up. They will probably smash Tech in 2009.
What he did at GB is pretty darn impressive no matter what he inherited considering the parody in the NFL. But these NFL guys just don't relate to or inspire college athletes. One of the few guys that pulled it off was pete carroll because he has the relationship aspect of coaching like none other along with our boy mack.
UTGradSchoolAg
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Every fan wants their team to be in the NC hunt every year. It not a shock to find that A&M fans are the same.
In the long run, it is not unreasonable to expect our coach to make us a big12 contender. We are a huge school that has plenty of cash, die hard fans, great facilities, and we're in a recruiting hotbed. I know you all don't like a&m, but if you can't see the potential, you're not looking.
Out of the gate, most of us want to see that he's taking us in the right direction. Coming into last season, we had one of the highest rated offensive lines in the conference, several highly talented skill players, a dual threat qb that had a fire to win, and we were coming off of a nine win season. Other than our upset of you guys, Fran did absolutely nothing with that group. Zilch. The defense was slow and plodding and looked lost most of the time. Our offense was so predictable that people cheered (and not in a mocking way) if we threw the ball more than 15 yards, whether it fell incomplete or not. And I'm not making that last part up by the way. We scored 7 points on tech for god's sake.
I know College Station isn't as chic as Austin, but neither is Norman or Lincoln, Nebraska, or a lot of other small college towns. So while the city helps out in your case, it certainly isn't the end all. If Texas football was in the gutter right now and A&M was dominating the conference, you'd find a lot more kids heading to CS, regardless of the fact that it's more rural. They want to go to winning programs and that's the biggest factor. So if Sherman can string together a few 8-9 win seasons, he'll start winning some recruiting battles and A&M could become another big 12 South contender. The jury is still out, but I definitely liked the staff he put together and that's about all he could have done so far.
We'll see if he is the right coach. But given where our program was and what we had to offer, I think he's about as good as we could have gotten. We weren't gonna steal Meyer or Tressel. The best Byrne could have done was a proven coach with experience, but not necessarily a lot of media appeal. That's exactly what he got too.
Bill Callahan was a special circumstance. The man knows football. You can't debate that. His problem was the fact that he's a raging *******. You look back at his career and you'll see division and strife. NU was way better than they showed last year, but the team flat out quit on him. He lost their trust and respect and when that happened, the season was a waste. Looking at Sherman's history, it doesn't appear that we have to worry about that.
In the long run, it is not unreasonable to expect our coach to make us a big12 contender. We are a huge school that has plenty of cash, die hard fans, great facilities, and we're in a recruiting hotbed. I know you all don't like a&m, but if you can't see the potential, you're not looking.
Out of the gate, most of us want to see that he's taking us in the right direction. Coming into last season, we had one of the highest rated offensive lines in the conference, several highly talented skill players, a dual threat qb that had a fire to win, and we were coming off of a nine win season. Other than our upset of you guys, Fran did absolutely nothing with that group. Zilch. The defense was slow and plodding and looked lost most of the time. Our offense was so predictable that people cheered (and not in a mocking way) if we threw the ball more than 15 yards, whether it fell incomplete or not. And I'm not making that last part up by the way. We scored 7 points on tech for god's sake.
I know College Station isn't as chic as Austin, but neither is Norman or Lincoln, Nebraska, or a lot of other small college towns. So while the city helps out in your case, it certainly isn't the end all. If Texas football was in the gutter right now and A&M was dominating the conference, you'd find a lot more kids heading to CS, regardless of the fact that it's more rural. They want to go to winning programs and that's the biggest factor. So if Sherman can string together a few 8-9 win seasons, he'll start winning some recruiting battles and A&M could become another big 12 South contender. The jury is still out, but I definitely liked the staff he put together and that's about all he could have done so far.
We'll see if he is the right coach. But given where our program was and what we had to offer, I think he's about as good as we could have gotten. We weren't gonna steal Meyer or Tressel. The best Byrne could have done was a proven coach with experience, but not necessarily a lot of media appeal. That's exactly what he got too.
Bill Callahan was a special circumstance. The man knows football. You can't debate that. His problem was the fact that he's a raging *******. You look back at his career and you'll see division and strife. NU was way better than they showed last year, but the team flat out quit on him. He lost their trust and respect and when that happened, the season was a waste. Looking at Sherman's history, it doesn't appear that we have to worry about that.
Sherman needs to do more than just win 8 or 9 games a year. I am astounded at how many Aggies are saying that 8 or 9 wins will win some recruiting battles. No it won't. Not when you're competing against Oklahoma, Texas, and LSU for recruits. 8 or 9 wins still makes you the step-brother.
Sherman needs to win 10 games a year, beat Texas and OU with some degree of regularity, and win some bowl games, or at least keep them close.
All the top-notch facilities and alumni dollars in the world don't matter at all when it comes to recruiting if you're still not doing as well as or better than the other teams who are after your recruits.
Also, the location argument is legitimate. I know Aggies have trouble seeing this, but College Station is a dump if you come from a place like Dallas or Houston, and it's especially distasteful if you're not a white, conservative Christian. Those are just facts. And it does matter to the kids who are getting legitimate offers from other schools. Norman may be a dump too, but they're winning football games and playing for national titles all the damn time. There's a difference.
Sherman needs to win 10 games a year, beat Texas and OU with some degree of regularity, and win some bowl games, or at least keep them close.
All the top-notch facilities and alumni dollars in the world don't matter at all when it comes to recruiting if you're still not doing as well as or better than the other teams who are after your recruits.
Also, the location argument is legitimate. I know Aggies have trouble seeing this, but College Station is a dump if you come from a place like Dallas or Houston, and it's especially distasteful if you're not a white, conservative Christian. Those are just facts. And it does matter to the kids who are getting legitimate offers from other schools. Norman may be a dump too, but they're winning football games and playing for national titles all the damn time. There's a difference.
TheGallopinGoose
2,500+ Posts
Mike Sherman is a better recruiter than Mack Brown and a better game-day coach than Bob Stoops!
My personal opinions:
A&M will be Big 12 champs this year!
GallopingG and blueag, when A&M's seniors and juniors were sophs and fish, Fran led them to a 9 win season and within one field goal against ou, of playing in the championship game for a BCS bowl.
A&M will be Big 12 champs this year because they have the same proven senior and junior talent, experience and leadership as players that won playing as sophs and fish.
They are now backed up by two more talented classes. Every Big 12 team lost an average of 17 seniors this year, mostly starters, , and with even with a favorable schedule, this is definitely A&M's year.
The team is finally no longer handicaped by RC"s, "untalented, almost no NFL draft choices for five years, 77-0' recruits, as the last of them finished their eligibility this last season. The nightmare of having to play a Big 12 schedule with a team filled with RC and Tim's non Big 12, NFL, 77-0 talent players is finally over after five years.
I hope your right about Shermans coaching, schemes, motivation, development, etc. because that going sour, is the only thing that can screw up a Big 12 championship this year!
At A&M, Mike is my coach and $Bill is my AD and right now their grade is F- ; if they both dont have an A+ in coaching and recruiting by December 2008, then stabbing Fran in the back and hiring Mike to be A&M"s coach means they both flunk out of A&M at the end of the fall semeter!
Next year A&M's team will be deluted by the Feb 08 class of last minute Mike/Tim decommits and left over 2*/3* commits; and then this years disasterous recruiting class, by losing each and every head to head battle with UT, lsu, ou and tulsa university, is already gone.
Now even Houston has already beaten us in head to head battles this year? How can any coach be this bad?
Signing the last minute left over 2*/3*'s is what led to RC and Tim's final five year demise, and thenMike and Tim did the same thing in the Feb 08 class, and now for a second class in a row, this years class.
Yes blueag, I miss any proven university coach that won 10 games in the tough SEC just before comming to A&M, then won 9 games in 2006 in the tough Big 12 and was within one field goal against ou, of taking A&M to the championship game to play for a BCS bowl.
The A&M situation in 2003 was so bad, it has been described as " hypothetically, a great university, great facilities, and a proven new coach comming in, off the death penality, with no players on the team.
The job was to add talented players one class at a time, taking expected losses, until you had 85 players on the team and the first senior class in 2008.
Then finally with a level playing field in 2008, win." I saw us progress, midway, to 9 wins; and and the next year progress to a 13 committd four and five star recruiting class as expected.
I would have liked the coach that built this years championship team with his first senior class in 2008, to be here to ensure that championship.
I don't want good ole boys and blogs that spin and censor the truth to cover their rears, and hence don't even work intelligently to get results.
This team with 9 wins was being led by Fran recruited fish and sophs despite being little support by the 77-0 RC recruits.
I miss A&M having 13 four and five star football players actually committed, like we did this last year with a #5 team ranking led by our coach and with 4 more top athletes leaning our way.
I hope I don't miss a championshi this year only because of a zero experienced univerity head coach .
I know I won't miss the national media and blogs discussing "how Fran was stabbed in the back, and future potential A&M coaches will think twice about considering A&M".
I know I won't miss A&M not being even in the national media discussions at all about the Big 12, except to point out that Mike " is ranked #8 among big 12 coaches, ranked #46 among 66 BCS coaches, or that other Big 12 coaches had a smile ear to ear at the thought of facing a Mike Sherman coached A&M team".
I don't miss the proven football retarded 80+%.
Mike and RC either one haven't even come close to actually commiting 13 four and five star football players in any recruiting class this decade.
Mike and RC haven't either one even come close to 9 Aggie wins this whole decade.
If Fran was stabbed in the back to get better results than this, and A&M does'nt lose their championship this year because of it , I support A&M.
If not, I think the 2009 season will be too soon to bring back $Bill, Mike, and RC to the campus for one day to be honored!
miller58
A&M rebuilding and winning in 2006, and champs in 2008!
A&M will be Big 12 champs this year!
GallopingG and blueag, when A&M's seniors and juniors were sophs and fish, Fran led them to a 9 win season and within one field goal against ou, of playing in the championship game for a BCS bowl.
A&M will be Big 12 champs this year because they have the same proven senior and junior talent, experience and leadership as players that won playing as sophs and fish.
They are now backed up by two more talented classes. Every Big 12 team lost an average of 17 seniors this year, mostly starters, , and with even with a favorable schedule, this is definitely A&M's year.
The team is finally no longer handicaped by RC"s, "untalented, almost no NFL draft choices for five years, 77-0' recruits, as the last of them finished their eligibility this last season. The nightmare of having to play a Big 12 schedule with a team filled with RC and Tim's non Big 12, NFL, 77-0 talent players is finally over after five years.
I hope your right about Shermans coaching, schemes, motivation, development, etc. because that going sour, is the only thing that can screw up a Big 12 championship this year!
At A&M, Mike is my coach and $Bill is my AD and right now their grade is F- ; if they both dont have an A+ in coaching and recruiting by December 2008, then stabbing Fran in the back and hiring Mike to be A&M"s coach means they both flunk out of A&M at the end of the fall semeter!
Next year A&M's team will be deluted by the Feb 08 class of last minute Mike/Tim decommits and left over 2*/3* commits; and then this years disasterous recruiting class, by losing each and every head to head battle with UT, lsu, ou and tulsa university, is already gone.
Now even Houston has already beaten us in head to head battles this year? How can any coach be this bad?
Signing the last minute left over 2*/3*'s is what led to RC and Tim's final five year demise, and thenMike and Tim did the same thing in the Feb 08 class, and now for a second class in a row, this years class.
Yes blueag, I miss any proven university coach that won 10 games in the tough SEC just before comming to A&M, then won 9 games in 2006 in the tough Big 12 and was within one field goal against ou, of taking A&M to the championship game to play for a BCS bowl.
The A&M situation in 2003 was so bad, it has been described as " hypothetically, a great university, great facilities, and a proven new coach comming in, off the death penality, with no players on the team.
The job was to add talented players one class at a time, taking expected losses, until you had 85 players on the team and the first senior class in 2008.
Then finally with a level playing field in 2008, win." I saw us progress, midway, to 9 wins; and and the next year progress to a 13 committd four and five star recruiting class as expected.
I would have liked the coach that built this years championship team with his first senior class in 2008, to be here to ensure that championship.
I don't want good ole boys and blogs that spin and censor the truth to cover their rears, and hence don't even work intelligently to get results.
This team with 9 wins was being led by Fran recruited fish and sophs despite being little support by the 77-0 RC recruits.
I miss A&M having 13 four and five star football players actually committed, like we did this last year with a #5 team ranking led by our coach and with 4 more top athletes leaning our way.
I hope I don't miss a championshi this year only because of a zero experienced univerity head coach .
I know I won't miss the national media and blogs discussing "how Fran was stabbed in the back, and future potential A&M coaches will think twice about considering A&M".
I know I won't miss A&M not being even in the national media discussions at all about the Big 12, except to point out that Mike " is ranked #8 among big 12 coaches, ranked #46 among 66 BCS coaches, or that other Big 12 coaches had a smile ear to ear at the thought of facing a Mike Sherman coached A&M team".
I don't miss the proven football retarded 80+%.
Mike and RC either one haven't even come close to actually commiting 13 four and five star football players in any recruiting class this decade.
Mike and RC haven't either one even come close to 9 Aggie wins this whole decade.
If Fran was stabbed in the back to get better results than this, and A&M does'nt lose their championship this year because of it , I support A&M.
If not, I think the 2009 season will be too soon to bring back $Bill, Mike, and RC to the campus for one day to be honored!
miller58
A&M rebuilding and winning in 2006, and champs in 2008!
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