Will Herman Be Held Accountable...

Satchel

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.... for sitting in one of those liberal, social justice teaching, liberation theology churches for years?

The liberal church of Herman Cain

By Eric Marrapodi and John Blake, CNN

Editor’s note: CNN’s John Blake was formerly a member of Antioch Baptist Church North. He left 13 years ago.

Atlanta (CNN) – Herman Cain has vaulted to the top of the polls as a Republican presidential candidate, but there’s one audience that may prove tougher for him to win over: his hometown church.

Cain, a conservative who recently said African-Americans were “brainwashed” into voting Democratic, is an associate minister at an Atlanta megachurch that has been a stronghold of liberal activism and is led by a pastor who cites Malcolm X as one of his influences.

Cain is a longtime member of Antioch Baptist Church North, which sits near the former college and home of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

The church, founded by freed slaves 134 years ago, boasts 14,000 members and an operating budget of more than $5 million. For years Antioch has hosted a “who’s who” of civil rights activists as guest speakers, including Jesse Jackson and Andrew Young.

Antioch’s powerful senior pastor, the Rev. C.M. Alexander, doesn’t share Cain’s political philosophy, Atlanta clergy say. But Cain and Alexander are so close that Cain sang “The Impossible Dream” for the pastor’s 50th anniversary celebration. The Atlanta businessman-turned-presidential hopeful is well liked by many members of his church, though some disagree with his politics, Antioch pastors say.

Cain’s piety may be just as fascinating as his politics, interviews suggest.

“He’s a real person who is more complicated than the sound bite you may have heard from him,” says the Rev. Fredrick Robinson, a friend of Cain’s who was an associate minister at Antioch before leaving to form his own church.

At Antioch, Cain has had to share the pews with fiery critics of the Republican Party like Joe Beasley, a man born to sharecroppers who once said he’s been called the “N-word” more times than he can count.

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Beasley is a deacon at Antioch and serves as Southern regional director for Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow PUSH Coalition. He also knows Cain and has no problem with his presence at Antioch.

“We’re good friends. He’s a great speaker and a great singer. He has a great love for the church,” Beasley says.

Beasley says he doesn’t talk politics with Cain, though.

“I respect him – and I want to keep my respect for him,” Beasley says.

Beasley, who worked with Cain on his unsuccessful 2004 run for one of Georgia’s U.S. Senate seats, says Antioch’s acceptance of the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO is not unusual. It’s an attitude, he says, that starts at the top with Alexander.

“The reverend’s position is when we open the door, whosoever comes, let them come,” Beasley says.

Alexander did not return calls seeking comment. Cain also was not available to comment for this article.

‘He’s family’

The black church has long been a paradox. It is one of the most politically liberal but theologically conservative institutions in the black community. Cain’s house of worship embodies some of these contradictions.

Antioch is a member of the National Baptist Convention USA Inc., a denomination in which some churches do not ordain women. The denomination’s leadership publicly broke with King over his civil rights activism.

But like many black Baptist churches, Antioch has developed a strong social justice component to its ministry over the years. It offers ministries for people suffering from drug addition and those infected with HIV/AIDS, and it has been a Sunday stopover for black politicians running for office.

Cain and his family blossomed in this world, according to some people who’ve known them at Antioch.

Robinson, the former Antioch minister, says Cain’s parents were pillars of the church. Cain graduated from Morehouse College, King’s alma mater, and went away to make his fortune. He returned to Antioch amid “great fanfare,” Robinson says.

Cain eventually became a fixture in the church’s deacon’s corner, a row of seats near the pulpit. On any Sunday, Cain could be seen sitting with the other deacons in his favorite light-blue dress shirt shouting, “Preach Rev!” or “Say it,” as the minister preached, Robinson says.

In 2002, Cain became a licensed minister at Antioch, he told Christianity Today.

Antioch members accept Cain because “he’s family,” Robinson says.

“If Herman Cain was one of those real uppity ‘I’m too good for regular blacks folks’ kind of person, he wouldn’t have mingled with us like he did,” Robinson says.

Robinson left Antioch to form his own church in rural Georgia and invited Cain to speak three times. All Robinson could afford to pay Cain was $200. It didn’t matter to Cain, whose speaking fee is usually far more, Robinson says.

Cain accepted the offer and brought a group of worshippers along with him to support Robinson’s small church, the pastor says.

Cain’s views on race aren’t simplistic, Robinson says. Cain says he doesn’t think racism is a huge obstacle for blacks, but Robinson says Cain has privately told him it’s a problem and once even complained about “the good ol’ boy” network in Georgia Republican politics.

“He knows there’s racism in the tea party, but he’ll never say that because they are his supporters. That bothers a lot of people, but he plays to that base not because he’s a sellout but because he’s a politician,” Robinson says.

In one video on his campaign website, “The Official Herman Cain Train Music Video,” Cain poses with young African-American and white supporters at a tea party rally and bellows, "To those who say the tea party is a racist organization, eat your words!"

The Rev. Gerald Durley, senior pastor of Providence Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta and a longtime activist, recalls when Cain performed the key song from “Man of La Mancha” for Antioch’s pastor.

Cain sang “The Impossible Dream” in his deep baritone and “got a standing ovation,” Durley says. (Cain, who recently released an album of gospel tunes, also belted out the song at a recent campaign stop.)

Cain’s conservative message that blacks should forget about racism and focus on pulling themselves up by their bootstraps doesn’t mesh with his pastor’s philosophy, says Durley, himself a longtime leader among Atlanta clergy.

When the evangelist Billy Graham visited Atlanta in 1994 for a crusade, Alexander demanded that Graham include blacks on the various committees that organized his speaking event at the Georgia Dome, Durley says.

“He’s not going to talk about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps,” Durley says of Antioch’s pastor. “It’s about providing bootstraps.”

Alexander has said pastors should be agents of social change, not “religious pop stars.” He says Malcolm X and Rosa Parks are some of his civil rights influences.

“It’s not enough to talk about what black folks ought to do,” Alexander once said. “We have to also look at what government is not doing to ensure fairness and equal opportunity. God is on the side of the least of these. Jesus said, ‘The first shall become the last and the last shall become the first.’”

But Durley says Alexander can separate Cain’s political and religious beliefs.

“(Alexander) has respect for him,” Durley says. “Cain has been there for years. I would imagine that Alexander would say, ‘I can separate his spiritual soul and salvation from his political dogma.’”

‘Very clear … faith walk’

Ken Blackwell - former Cincinnati mayor, former Ohio secretary of state and fellow African-American Republican - first worked with Cain on an economic growth and tax reform commission in the mid-1990s.

“(Cain) is a person who tries to live his faith in the way he conducts himself in public and private life,” Blackwell says. “He doesn’t just talk the talk. He actually lives what he says and believes in.

“We have prayed with and for one another,” Blackwell says.

Both Cain and Blackwell are cancer survivors, and the two men leaned on each other during their health struggles. Blackwell beat prostate cancer in 2000 and Cain was diagnosed with stage four cancer in 2006. Cain has said his faith, coupled with the right medical treatment, was a major reason he was able to fight and beat the disease.

“I was able to see he has a very clear and discernible faith walk he was very comfortable with and very dependent on as he met his challenges,” Blackwell says.

Ralph Reed, head of the Faith and Freedom Coalition and former Christian Coalition leader, says the time Cain spent behind the podium at Antioch has helped him connect with voters on the campaign trail.

“Herman Cain can hold his own with Mike Huckabee in terms of his ability to connect with and really develop a rapport with voters of faith,” Reed says. Cain heads back to Iowa next week to speak at a Faith and Freedom event with Reed.

“He shares their faith, he shares their values and he’s extremely good at being able to communicate his views,” Reed says. “I think someone who is comfortable with the lexicon of evangelicals is clearly going to over-perform in the early primaries.”

But while voters have welcomed Cain and helped rocket him to the top of polls, there are some fellow African-American clergy who are not as accepting.

The Rev. Artis Johnson, an Atlanta pastor, wrote an open letter to Cain in a local online newspaper, the Cascade Patch, after Cain said last month that blacks were brainwashed into voting Democratic.

“We are not circus animals or attendees of hypnotism shows that cannot make the reasonable and right decisions about who our greatest political enemies are, ” Johnson wrote.

In his letter, Johnson asked Cain why blacks would vote Republican when the party desires to disenfranchise blacks at the voting booth, denies the power of racism and believes the free market is going to address the needs of the poor and elderly.

“In my heart,” Johnson wrote, “I was hoping that you would represent a politician that did more than appeal to the worst in the electorate.”
 
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I must say, though, that I am proud that the media has relearned how to properly vet an unknown political candidate. The number of stories on Cain over the past week show that they are turning over every stone, and then some.
 
The media has done no such thing. What do you know about Perry's Bachman's. Paul's or Gingrich's church memberships and pastors?
 
Herman is still sitting in that liberal church where the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright spew liberation theology and y'all are okay with that???? Since when?????
 
My question is will he be required to do so? Cons don't like preachers like the one Herman sits under every Sunday Why aren't you concerned about this ANYMORE?
 
Do you have any videos of Rev. Alexander goddaming America? If not stop being a crab. As I understand it, O and Wright shared some of the same political philosophies. Not just the same religion. That was the problem.

Be happy for a brother, sometimes. All that hate is bad for your health.
 
I missed the part where the church was condoning theories of the government spreading the AIDS virus in the black community, or that 9-11 was punishment on America by God... or for that matter anything other than typical liberal viewpoints.

So are you saying that liberals are outside the mainstream and would be considered inflammatory or scandalous?
 
I'm pretty sure that Christians of all denominations share the pews with people of opposing political views. Why would we want churches tied to a political party?
 
Herm "Back o' the Bus" Cain will be held accountable as much as any politician is held accountable. Which means, not much and for the wrong reasons.
 
I missed the part where the church was condoning theories of the government spreading the AIDS virus in the black community, or that 9-11 was punishment on America by God... or for that matter anything other than typical liberal viewpoints.

Because we all know the government would never do anything as nefarious or unethical as spreading disease or knowingly allow diseases to go untreated, just to "see what happens".

I mean, you'd think the blacks would trust the govt most of all with this, right?
 
I think the point has been made Satchel. Herman Cain's pastor isn't damning American and blaming whitey for all its ills. They(Cain and preacher) share the same theology, but not the same political views. I know it's hard for you to realize that some black people don't share the same political view as you. Get over it. As Brotha said, be glad for the man, promote his success, use him as an example of what can happen when you do work hard. He took advantage of the opportunities he created.
 
He took advantage of the opportunities he created.

Correction: Herm Cain took advantage of the opportunities that peole like Rosa Parks created for him. Herm was a freeloader when it came time for him to step up to the civil rights plate. Herm's even admitted as much.
 
And Barack Obama said his parents got together around the Selma march. Actually he was born 4 years prior. I would consider lying to be worse than "freeloading"? Wouldn't you agree. I mean, Herman Cain could have lied about his own involvement, but he didn't.
 
Perham if you are going to go down that road, how far do you go? Cain created his own opportunities in my opinion. He did the work for himself, not Rosa Parks. She obviously had a part in civil rights, so I disagree with you and we can leave it at that. I'm not going to get into some discussion about it.
 
Amazing what a racist Satch is, hating on a black guy just because the color of his skin and political beliefs, geez.

If Cain was white, Satch wouldn't even bat an eye!!!

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Perham if you are going to go down that road, how far do you go? Cain created his own opportunities in my opinion. He did the work for himself, not Rosa Parks.

While I agree that it is problematic when determining how far back one goes and to what extent one assigns causality, Mr. Cain himself said that he did little to nothing (I think it was nothing, but am willing to give him at lease a little benefit of the doubt even if he doesn't deserve it) in taking an active part in civil rights activities.

My point is that Rosa Parks and other brave people laid the groundwork that then allowed Herm Cain to do his work. You, and many others, seem to ignore the contributions that Parks et al made and are giving all the bootstrap kudos to Cain himself.

Cain did do a lot of the work himself. Anybody who thinks he did all the work is sorely mistaken.
 
Bronco, don't forget the Puerto Ricans.

And if you want to go further, look at Wendell Johnson's unethical research methods on the kids in his stuttering study.

I think blaming the US for introducing AIDS in the black community is pretty close to bats*** crazy, but what's the saying? Fool me once, shame on me; fool me... won't get fooled again.

Blacks were fooled once (more than once). I can see why they wouldn't want to be fooled again.
 
A. BETTIK, the guy is either a bozo or just doesn't know how to write. Could be both, I guess.

I mean, what other institutions in the black community will be theological at all except for churches?
 
Perham- I understand what you are saying, I am looking at the Tuskegee situation and how it applies to the bigger picture.

What happened to those 600 or so men and their families was horrible. I have seen it argued that the basic care they received for everything other than syphillis probably increased their life expectancy and made their lives better, overall, from a health standpoint. As poor rural men, they had notoriously low life expectancies. I wouldn't make that argument. What the PHS did was wrong and the families deserved the money they received.

My issue is how now, the black community will use this as a govt against black people as if the study happened in a vacuum. The entire Board of the hospital was aware of the program up front and had the ability to end it at anytime. The Board were all black. Many of the doctors and nurses were black. The genesis of the study was that it appeared syphillis reacted differently in blacks versus whites and they wanted to find out why. The initial study protocols were developed by a black physician.

The point of that is certainly not that the study was somehow legitimate. It most certainly wasn't. But I don't think it is accurate to say the government/PHS perpetrated a disease on blacks just because they were black. The black leaders of the hospital approved of the plan.

The govt will try to abuse any subset of people if they think it is in their best interest to do it. I don't think they exploit by race as much as they exploit by wealth. The only subset that usually doesn't get exploited are the wealthy.

Tuskegee was horrible. However, it is now used as a reason that many blacks have a distrust of public health institutions. It is used, over and over, as an example of the govt/white man abusing the black man. I just do not see how that helps anyone. If you asked 1000 people if they knew that the majority black hospital Board approved of the study and had the ability to end it at anytime, I'd bet 1 or 2 would know that. I think knowing that would change some opinions. It wouldn't change the opinion that the study was a disgrace, that should be a given. However, maybe the incident would not be used to fuel mistrust and hatred of the health system. Maybe the black race would not use Tuskegee as an affront to all blacks. It was an affront to the people involved, but it was not a case of the govt or the whites exploiting the blacks in a vacuum.
 
I wouldn't say cain did " nothing" to further the point tht black people can succeed.
In fact the way he did it should be just as much a testament many others.
 

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