Will Democrats do anything meaningful to spending?

Mr. Deez

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It looks like some Republicans including some in their leadership are backing away from the anti-tax pledge. See link. It will cost at least some of these members their careers.

Democrats had used the Norquist pledge to move to the center on fiscal policy and to argue the GOP into a position perceived as extreme. Essentially, they agreed that spending needed to be dealt with in a meaningful way but that they weren't willing to deal with it without a tax increase (or an even more lax position of - "more revenue"). This is the so-called "balanced approach." Essentially they moved Right (and gained favor with the public) by giving the appearance of reasonableness without having to face any consequences of doing so or put anything on the table, because they assumed the GOP would always rigidly stick by their Norquist pledge. I think it made the difference in the election. Had Obama run on only tax increases and not addressing spending, I think he would have lost decisively.

In light of the election, the GOP is putting tax increases on the table. The GOP base and its donors can and will bellyache about that, but frankly, they're doing the right thing. The public clearly wants a tax increase, and they're going to get it for better or worse.

However, the Democrats' position was always a ruse, because even using their own numbers, the tax increase they called for (eliminating the Bush tax cuts on those making over $200K and families making over $250K) was never enough to make a serious dent in the deficit, and they knew it. So now that their bluff is being called, will they actually address spending? Specifically will they address the 80 percent of spending that isn't on national defense?

If they do, then they're going to piss off their base. However, if they don't, then they're much more likely to get blamed for there not being a deal, and they're going to open the door for the GOP to turn the tables and argue them into the inflexible position they had up until now. It'll be a wild scene to watch.
 
I have no faith anyone in office up there will do anything meaningful. As a clarification, the "public" does not want to increase taxes. They want to penalize a select few that will do nothing to meaningfully reduce the deficit.

I expect a "kick the can down the road" compromise by both parties. Anyone who was put into office based upon their stated position, then immediately withdraws that position should be recalled. I think all who signed the Norquist plan are idiots for doing so and should be thrown out of office regardless.

I think the fiscal cliff, while probably very painful, is what America needs. Call it a fiscal intervention for both parties.
 
mandatory spending alone, which is entitlements and debt interest alone puts us 200 billion in the red. without seriously cutting entitlements, America will die a slow death, the way all previous strong states have fallen from power, ala Rome.
 
Once the Dems came up with the phrase ( to rally the rest of us to call for tax increases on the " rich)
" what they can afford"
I knew it was all over but the shouting which we are certainly witnessing now

I was shocked to learn how much the tax revenue gathered was up for the past few years but that doesn't seem to matter to Dems
who keep pushing the it is all the rich's fault.
 
mrD
Considering the overall state of the economy being up should be considered a good thing
Do you think we are in a recovery period?
 
No.

How will the Fed pump money into our economy if our politicians reduce the deficit? In our Keynesian world, politicians need sustained deficit spending to accommodate printing of money to create "growth." The so-called fiscal cliff keeps spending next year flat relative to this year. Whatever deal they strike will ensure that spending goes up.
 
I'm one of the public and I'm perfectly willing to pay more in taxes. I'm also nowhere near the $250K line in the sand. I of course also want to see meaningful spending cuts to military and entitliements. It's clear that all 3 will have to contribute, a "balanced" approach if you will. I think Obama is pushing the upper income tax hikes so hard to make the spending cuts go down easier on the middle class. But if it were up to me, I'd say raise everyone's taxes and cut spending a lot. It will be tough on the economy, but that's what it's going to take.
 
If you want a tax increase, what keeps you from just donating like you would to a charity? Go ahead nothing is preventing you from giving more than your tax level.
 
mwa
We all know posters like the one above you won't ever willingly pay more.
They, like Buffett BO or anyone who says they want to pay kore are just full of foul air.

I wish someone would tell them to put up or stfu
 
The air inside of me isn't much differnent than anyone else's. You have my solemn promise that I will donate via my income tax check more than I "owe" this year. Will that truly make a difference to you? It certainly won't make a difference to our debt problem.
 
many numbers
I take you at your word.
If everyone who had said they are willing to pay more actually do pay more and "More" is large enough to give their pledge meaning .
Then we could get a reading on how much it was that all those who so wanted to be taxed more actually sent.
That could be a great PR move for an increase in tax rates for everyone.

You are the first one who has EVER said they would actually sendmore in. Certainly none of the so called millionaires who whined they wanted to be taxed more ever volunteered to send more

Good on you
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Tom Price R GA in interview with Andrea Mitchell said this "ANDREA MITCHELL: There are reliable studies that show you can’t cap enough deductions and level the playing field enough to raise the kind of revenue you need. We’re talking about a trillion and a half dollars here.

TOM PRICE: You know well, Andrea, that the president’s plan to increase taxes on the upper 2 percent covers the spending by this federal government not for eight years, not for eight months, not for eight weeks but for eight days. Eight days only. It’s not a real solution. So, again, I’m puzzled by an administration that seems to be more interested in raising tax rates than in gaining economic vitality.
"'

But pomising you will raise taxes on the evil rich really gets BO's base all jazzed up, reality be damned
 
To answer the question, yes, they believe that by spending MORE it will be meaningful. At least 51% of the nation want a tax increase. They voted for it three weeks ago when they re-elected the current administration. I say give it to them. Remove all of our deductions and then we will find out who is really serious about raising taxes, and to go one step further, institute a national sales tax on all items purchased. That will capture those that aren't paying any taxes at all.
 
It is easy to say raise taxes on someone else so others can pay for your heathcare and birth control. What ever happened to personal responsibility? When the government becomes part of you everyday life you have lost the greatest gift of all privacy and freedom
 
This threat is turning into what I didn't want it to become - a bunch of guys throwing out pointless rhetoric about why a tax increase is bad and why those who support it are moochers. That's totally non-constructive.

Avoiding a tax increase is not an option. If you think it is, then how does that happen? The only way it happens is if the White House and the Senate completely roll over and get nothing that they want. Obama just got reelected, and the GOP just got its *** kicked in the Senate elections. I understand why the Senate and White House would compromise with the House, but why in the hell would they completely capitulate to them?

The only thing the House can do by itself is stop all plans, continue the impasse, and get nothing passed this year. That means a tax increase, so no matter how you slice it, a tax increase is coming.
 
It's a very simple issue to me. Tax increases are 100% guaranteed even if the republicans block everything. R's need to get all the immediate spending cuts they can.
 
Yep.

A smart House leader or party compromises on taxes in exchange for meaningful modifications or cuts to social programs. You basically get the Simpson Bowles proposal about two years later.
 
First of all, I don't think BO's reelection was the mandate for higher taxes that you think it is. I am sure, however, that the Tax and Spend Democrats will interpret it as such.

Most voters who voted for BO voted for their own personal agenda; union, gay, hispanic, feminist, secularist, etc. I don't think too many of them thought about taxes all that much.

That said, I agree that a tax increase is coming. In fact, I think Obama, the social nihilist, wants to go over the fiscal cliff. He wants to tear it all down and rebuild it with his input. That's why he's insisting on punishing just the rich with a tax hike that will result in added revenues that will keep the Federal Gov. running for something like 8 days.
 

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